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Author Message   Guff  Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 08:50 pm EST :    Tim, I was wondering, can you cross any cyclamen with another form? I was thinking down the road, I would like to cross P.G. Victoria with Purpurascens, and maybe get a hardy version, but also with a scent.....well I can dream anyways, maybe after many years of repeat back crosses, maybe something special will pop up. Guff - NY, Zone "?"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 09:17 pm EST :    Guff, it has been about 2 months since I started my seeds this year. I am just starting to get a bit of germination. Unfortunately, I did not write on my pots when they germinated last year but I don't remember them being one of the quicker species to germinate. My graecum and hederifolium were quicker last year and this year too. Maybe if Tim get's some free time from his full time job he will get a minute to catch up with us. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Guff  Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 04:02 pm EST :    An early Christmas gift I received. No clue, what type it is,looks like a Candy Cane. It has many flower buds at the base, it looks like at least 20 or so. Guff - NY, Zone "?"   Guff  Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 04:13 pm EST :    Tim, wondering do you need to hand pollinate, or do they easy self pollinate, because I would like to have some seeds. Too bad I don't have any mature hardy ones, to cross breed with, could make some interesting babies. Guff - NY, Zone "?"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 07:40 pm EST :    Guff, just in case Tim is tied up, I think that he told Wilson to tap the flowers to get them to release some of the pollen. You could use a fan to circulate the air, but they are probably tucked away for the winter. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Tim  Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 03:30 am EST :    Hello Guff. There are some inter-specific cyclamen hybrids. C. rhodium (and its subspecies), C. creticum, C. repandum and C. balearicum will all cross with each other. The two established hybrids from this group are C. x meiklei, which is creticum x repandum, and C. x saundersiae which is balearicum x rhodium subsp. peloponnesiacum. There are a few others too: C. x schwarzii is libanoticum x pseudibericum and C. x wellensiekii is libanoticum x cyprium. C. x hildebrandii is the name given to hederifolium x africanum, but how anybody can identify this hybrid is a mystery to me. I have enough trouble telling the two parents apart. Fieldwork needs to be done in north Africa to establish whether or not C. africanum deserves to have specific status. There is also apparently a hybrid between coum and alpinum, C. x drydeniae. I'm not sure about this hybrid. The Grey-Wilson monograph makes an absolute mess of trying to convince the reader (me) of the authenticity of this hybrid. The plants in the two photos look like they are simply silver leaved forms of coum. I think that the Japanese have crossed hederifolium with persicum, and also hederifolium with purpurascens. A purpurascens x persicum hybrid rings a bell too, but I'm not 100% about that and I'd have to look back through my Cyc. Soc. journals. If you've got the time Guff, anything is worth a go. That early Christmas present you have is a florist's cyclamen (derived from C. persicum). Terry is right - just tap the flowers a couple of times a day and you should get seed set. Not sure what the offspring would look like. You wouldn't wait long to find out though - very often these types of cyclamen can be in flower less than 12 months after germination. Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "   Guff  Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 10:51 am EST :    Tim, thanks for the input. I will try crossing at some point. I wonder how many back crosses to a hardy form would it take for the offspring to become hardy as well. I'm mostly interested in hardy plants for outside planting. Also, would you do a both way cross A x B, B x A to increase the odds. Terryk, I tapped on the flowers, and white pollen came out. Guff - NY, Zone "?"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 11:41 am EST :    Glad I could help Guff. Goodness, all this cross breeding of all your different plants sounds exciting. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Wilsonae_cyclamen  My Weather Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 03:48 pm EST :    Guff, Out of sheer curiosity among the Cyclamen Society Seed Exchange, I received: Balearicum x Repandum (x Saundersiae)- 20 seeds, Coum x Alpinum (x Drydeniae)- 10 seeds and Elegans x Alpinum - 4 seeds (attempted). I am anxiously awaiting germination and the end results - smile! wilsonae cyclamen Wilsonae_cyclamen - New York, Zone "6 "   Wilsonae_cyclamen  My Weather Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 04:00 pm EST :    Tim, Is there any way of my knowing what the numbers following CSE seeds mean, eg: CSE K: 04005G etc? Or is it strictly a Surprise! Surprise! Obviously, I will be posting at a much later date asking for identification of said cyclamen species; but then and again - that's the beauty of cyclamen. You never know, the end product might be more than the sum total of its parents regardless of its pedigree! wilsonae cyclamen Wilsonae_cyclamen - New York, Zone "6 "   Guff  Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 07:55 pm EST :    Well I put my Hederifolium silver leaves, pink flowers under lights. I soaked around 50 seeds each of Hederifolium pink and white well marked. I picked up some more bird grit, for tomorrows planting task. Hopefully the Purpurascens start to germinate by the end of the month. I think I like the look of those the best, and looking forward to seeing them grow. Guff - NY, Zone "?"   Tim  Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 02:38 am EST :    Good to hear that you got your seeds, Wilson. The December issue of the Cyclamen Society journal arrived here yesterday. Interested to see that you received seeds from an attempted cross between elegans and alpinum. As far as I know, this has never been done before. At least, I'm not aware of any authenticated hybrids between the two species. Perhaps you will post some photos when they germinate and start to produce leaves in the not too distant future. As for the numbers related to CSE seeds: I did have a copy of the list with all the numbers on it, but would have to dig for it. If you post the numbers you have on this forum, I'll look into it for you. Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 05:58 am EST :    Just in case Tim runs short on time (which unfortunately for us seems to be the case these days) here's some information. Wilson, I think this information (which was posted on another cyclamen forum) can be found on the Cyclamen Societies web site. This is the instructions from the other forum site which explains it: "Go to the Expeditions page of the Cyclamen Society website and scroll down to the Collections section. You could then see, for one of your seeds for example, that in the CSE Collections, 1991, : Plant No 91326 Site No 91/14 species graecum, and there's also a photo. You can then click on the Abridged Field Notes icon and read for Site 91/14" Here's the link to the cyclamen society web site that is referenced in above instructions: http://www.cyclamen.org/cse_set.html Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Guff  Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 05:07 pm EST :    Thought I would update. I have three tubs of Hederifolium silver leaves, pink flowers, like the one pictured. They seem to be growing very slowly, last time I had thought they grew some what faster. Still no signs of life on the Purpurascens. Guff - NY, Zone "?"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 07:43 pm EST :    That's a pretty novel idea of sowing them like that Guff. Are those the tubers forming on top of the grit/sand? My c. purpurascens have only a few poking up now, most still have not germinated. Funny but the c. coum that I have this year seem to be germinating well. C.graecum was the first to pop up and I will probably do some transplanting soon. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"

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