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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 08:35 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

In contrast to this time last week a beautiful frosty morning but not much in flower in the greenhouse so hope a few pictures showing a range of C. rohlfsianum leaves might be of interest.Plant Forum

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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 09:44 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Wow!

I particularly like the bottom right plant in the 4th photo..the one with more silver in the leaf. Rohlfsianum is another species that doesn't do well for me(graecum being the other) I've got some that are only just breaking bud...in December!? and others are completely dormant. I can only think it's lack of sunshine (a summer baking)....I do everything else by the book.
Can you give us any 'tips' on getting such lush foliage. I notice that all your tubers are covered with grit. I tend to leave my tubers exposed...to get more sun; could that be causing me problems?

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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 10:39 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Wow again! I think the leaf patterns far outway the flowers in cyclamen. The only ones that rank high are the scented flowers. One could look over their cyclamen collectin and study the leaves for hours on end.

I vote the second leaf pattern as #1.

Dee I am still trying to grow my plants as well as the other people in this forum. I took Tim's suggestion and put my greaecum outdoors this fall and they looked their best. Now that they are indoors again (no glasshouse) they are leggy again. I have lights, but have to limit the number-the electric bill is a sore point during winter hours

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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 11:08 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I do think I should be growing them outdoors Terry, I'm sure graecum and rohlfsianum would benefit from the direct sunshine, and the rear of the house faces south west.... but I have a problem
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He and his friends dig up and eat anything thats in a pot, he's eaten a lovely spring bulb collection I planted in that basket.

I'll have to think about how to outwit the squirrel...I dont want him eating my rohlfsianum!

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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 02:36 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Dee. it looks adorable in the basket but I am with you-that squirrel would not be welcome in my yard either!

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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 03:02 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Melvyn, what's your summer regime for C. rohlfsianum? Do you withhold all water, or do you keep the plants just moist at the bottom?

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Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 04:57 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Dee and Tim,

I will attempt to answer both of your questions
Dee_b wrote on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 09:44 am:

Can you give us any 'tips' on getting such lush foliage. I notice that all your tubers are covered with grit. I tend to leave my tubers exposed...to get more sun; could that be causing me problems?


Tim wrote on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 03:02 pm:

Melvyn, what's your summer regime for C. rohlfsianum? Do you withhold all water, or do you keep the plants just moist at the bottom?



I think the lush foliage is a combination of the fact that they are all selected plants and the majority are quite old ie in my collection more than ten years. I leave my C. rohlfsianum with no water from April until September when the plants get a good soaking, often by immersing the plant pots in water until the bubbles stop and they dont get watered again until the flowers are well developed. I do feed the plants with liquid feed of the seaweed extract type. Feeding is on a sporadic basis, plants get repotted about every four years with the tuber placed a fraction below the surface and then covered with grit mainly to keep it looking tidy.Most of my plants are in clay pots but I think younger plants do better in plastic pots. I must be doing something right because most years I get a really good seed crop.

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Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 07:22 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

my system is basically the same regime except this is the one species for which I use plastic pots.The reason for this is because I have them in the house on a windowsill in the winter from about early November and they would dry out too quickly in clay.This is because it is to damp in the greenhouse and they get mould if grown in there

I store them dry in the utility room on a shelf for the summer so they are not baked but are warm.

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 06:24 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Stunning foliage! A fantastic collection!

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 03:39 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Melvyn & Tony,

Thank you both for sharing your regimes with us......I will be trying them out next season.

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:02 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Having said that I think younger plants do better in plastic pots I thought a couple of pictures might help to show what I mean, these plants are three years old and will be potted up individually next year.Plant Forum

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 05:22 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Melvyn, what a great collection. What size pot is that and about how many seeds do you sow in each pot?

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 06:12 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Melyvn, I've got to echo Terry..what a great collection; the leaf patterns are gorgeous, I can certainly see a few show winners in there.

I long for my plants to look like those....you wouldn't get me out of the greenhouse!

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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 08:03 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

here are the three I grow.The first is from Tilebarn and the second and third are cast offs from a friend. The last is a one year seedling from a prize winning plant that looks promising.This germinated last year and a further seven have germinated this autumn

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this one has set a lot of seed this autumn

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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 08:13 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tony I like the cast offs you acquired.

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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 12:38 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Terryk wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 05:22 pm:

What size pot is that and about how many seeds do you sow in each pot?

Terry, thanks for raising this, its such an obvious point which I should have put in the text. The size of the square pot is just over 7" on each side and the largest leaf on the lower left hand side of the picture is just over 3" across. The round pot is 7" diameter and the largest leaf on the top left hand side is just under 3" across. I didnt sow the seeds into these pots , I selected about a dozen seedlings for each pot after the first true leaf developed if they looked promising.I think seedlings can do better in a community pot like those shown and the plants tend to bulk up more quickly than those planted singly at a young age, it also has the advantage that they take up less room when you are still evaluating the quality of the young plants.

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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 01:48 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hellenophile wrote on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 12:38 pm:

it also has the advantage that they take up less room when you are still evaluating the quality of the young plants.



Thanks for the explanation.

I have followed Tim's instructions and transplanted my seedlings into single pots the first year. I am sure this might bring on quite a discussion of this point.

I did find the ones I transplanted early on the first year did do better than the ones left in the seedling pot. However, your idea appeals to me too because at this point I am out of room and have been forced to leave them in the pots the germinated in.

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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 02:18 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Terryk wrote on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 01:48 pm:

I have followed Tim's instructions and transplanted my seedlings into single pots the first year. I am sure this might bring on quite a discussion of this point.



If nothing else, the opinions on this forum demonstrate just how adaptable cyclamen can be. I've had a lot of success pricking out cyclamen into individual pots at the cotyledon stage, but it's important to emphasis the point that my whole regime revolves around the seedlings being pricked out at such an early stage. They certainly have to watered more carefully and the pricking out has to be done delicately so that the very fine roots suffer as little damage as possible.

I think that most growers would be with Melvyn on this, and that they grow the seedlings on together in a community pot for a few years before potting them up individually.

Terry, I guess it's been successful for you because essentially, you have adopted the same cultivation techniques as me, from seed sowing onwards. Keeping the plants in community pots will save you some room though; until they all need potting on that is :-)

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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 05:00 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tim wrote on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 02:18 pm:

Keeping the plants in community pots will save you some room though; until they all need potting on that is :-)



You know I am bursting at the seams, I think it's too late for the advise. And I still have to sow more each year. How bad am I?

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Posted on Monday, December 24, 2007 - 01:49 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tim wrote on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 02:18 pm:

Terryk wrote on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 01:48 pm:
I have followed Tim's instructions and transplanted my seedlings into single pots the first year. I am sure this might bring on quite a discussion of this point.



When I visited Ashwood Nurseries I spoke to Philip Baulk. He told me that C. purpurascens grows much faster when there are more seedlings in one pot. When I visit some growers here in the Netherlands they will tell you like Tim does. They all put a little two month old seedling in a 9 x 9 cm. pot. Within 12 month they grow a C. coum or C. hederifolium plant (tuber 3-4 cm.) with 20 flowers ! The right temperature, the right soil, the right moisture, the right fertilizer.

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Jan

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