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Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 05:24 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The forum has gone a little quiet, so I went around the garden and took these photos. There is still a lull but it won't be long now until the coum onslaught begins.

These leaves belong to two of my best C. cyprium. It's not been a particularly good year for my cyprium this year. I wonder if it's because of our lack of heat during the summer?

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The silver leaf forms of C. elegans are still looking good.

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I selected this parviflorum out from the plants in the polytunnel to become a stock plant. Look how many tiny leaves it has; the plant is in a 7x7x8 cm pot. I hope that this is a reliable trait.

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Self sown C. intaminatum seedlings around the parent plant.

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Scraping the barrel now... :-) A tray of C. graecum seedlings grown from seed given to me by Tony. Germinated last autumn and pricked out into individual pots on 21st Feb this year.

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 06:26 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Thanks for posting these Tim - you have alot going on!

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 09:46 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

What a Christmas treat for all of us, thanks for posting pictures Tim.

I can't believe that pot of parviflorum is one plant!

A little over 6 weeks and I will be walking through your glasshouse drooling!

Terryk - NY, Zone "6"
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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 10:51 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hi Tim hope that reference about scraping the barrel was not about the quality of the seedlings!!Glad they were of use,I hate to throw the seed away but I have no room to grow on any more.The elegans are very nice but I have decided against growing them as my frost free area is full.I have had a very good year with cyprium but poor with cilicium and mirable.

Terry sorry I will not see you at Wisley which I am sure you will enjoy because in my case a few days in France the week after has proved a bigger temptation.

Tony_willis - Lancashire, Zone "7"
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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 11:02 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tony_willis wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 10:51 am:

hope that reference about scraping the barrel was not about the quality of the seedlings!!



You know what, Tony, I realised just how I'd worded that this morning! I think that the patterns are great and they seem to be vigorous. They are from the ex. Monemvasia seed.

You sent me some coum seed ex. Niksar too and they were pricked out at the same time as the graecum were. Some of those coum do have flowers already. Nothing wrong with the quality of the seedlings! :-)

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:32 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Very nice cyprium leaves Tim. Is it on all the leaves on that plant? My cyprium haven't done too well either this year, little or no seed set. My 2005 seedlings look interesting, I think some have crossed with libanoticum judging by the leaves...no flowers as yet.

Now come on Tim....that's a potful of parviflorum seedlings isn't it ;-). You're right, it's going to be a good stock plant with that amount of leaf...has it flowered yet?

It never ceases to amaze me how seedlings pop up around the parent plant, if left to their own devices...and kept in full light; seeds that I collect, soak, sow, keep in the dark at an even temperature...never do half as well. I've even got seedling popping up in the greenhouse floor, which is gritted. I don't know what they are yet, so it will be a nice surprise if something special is amongst them.
Hmm, that's a thought..maybe I should sow all my seeds on the greenhouse floor!

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:58 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Dee_b wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:32 pm:

maybe I should sow all my seeds on the greenhouse floor!



That would be a beautiful sight to see!

Tony_willis wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 10:51 am:

Terry sorry I will not see you at Wisley which I am sure you will enjoy because in my case a few days in France the week after has proved a bigger temptation.



Tony, France is better than me? Only kidding, I do understand. But it would have been so much fun to meet. Maybe next time...

Terryk - NY, Zone "6"
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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:58 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Dee_b wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:32 pm:

Is it on all the leaves on that plant?



Yep, all the leaves have as much silver/cream colouration. Not that my cyprium have many leaves this year; I will have a think about what to do differently next summer to increase the amount of flowers my plants produce. I did have a huge cyprium that would produce dozens and dozens of flowers but it died during the summer.

Dee_b wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:32 pm:

Now come on Tim....that's a potful of parviflorum seedlings isn't it ;-).



It does look like it, doesn't it? I've just had a close look at the photo and counted 38 leaves; I'm sure that there are more though. Just wait until tomorrow when I post a photo of a rhodium peloponnesiacum I selected out at the same time. It's in the same size pot and has a crazy amount of growth points.
Dee_b wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:32 pm:

It never ceases to amaze me how seedlings pop up around the parent plant, if left to their own devices...and kept in full light



I've NEVER been convinced of the whole darkness = better germination thing. I wonder if growers who do experience "better" germination from seeds kept in the dark are actually changing the regime as a result of the pots being kept in the dark. For sure the pots would stay moist for longer. So, it's not being in the dark that directly helps, but that the pots stay evenly moist as a result of being in the dark. I know that Reading University have looked into this, but my own experiences with thousands of cyclamen annually don't match their findings.

If you just heard a bump, it was me getting off of my high horse...:-)

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 05:13 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I have taken Tim's advise. The first year I received seed I and after reading the propagation methods on the cyclamen society, I almost gave up before trying. I can not tell you how many e-mails went back and forth with Tim instructing me along the way. Just about everything germinated after following his instructions.

So not only did the seed germinate but a good friendship too.

Terryk - NY, Zone "6"
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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 05:37 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tim wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:58 pm:

I did have a huge cyprium that would produce dozens and dozens of flowers but it died during the summer.



Don't you just hate it when that happens! Especially when it's one of your better plants. Is cyprium a short lived species do you know Tim; cyprium is the one species I lose more plants of most years...don't know why....lucklily though, it's one that germinates well for me.

Tim wrote on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 04:58 pm:

Just wait until tomorrow when I post a photo of a rhodium peloponnesiacum I selected out at the same time.



I can't remember this species being in leaf at this time of year, but strangely enough I do have two plants pushing leaves through...and they are plants I've had from you Tim...with luck, they may have come from the same stock as the one you're gonna post.


I think my plants are a bit behind this year, it maybe because I haven't watered them very much. I've been afraid that being damp and cold might finish them off. Can others reading this post advise me of what their watering regime is at this time of year please.

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Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 05:42 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

My rhodium pelop... and vividum are in leaf.

I have a friend with 15 open flowers on his vividum!

I notice Jim Archibald has ignored this renaming in his current list.

Tony_willis - Lancashire, Zone "7"
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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 08:07 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tim scraping the barrel here is a group of three year old cyprium seedlings from the original ES plants many generations removed with a closeup of one leaf.They are very variable and need selecting to keep a good level of markings.I give them no heat and they seem hardy inside.

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Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 08:15 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Another handsome group Tony.

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Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 06:15 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tony, I like all of your cyprium. It looks like yours flowered a while ago; mine are still in full flower and one plant is only just putting up flowers which won't be open for at least a week or more. I must have kept them dry during the autumn.

Below is a photo of a three year old plant of rhodium peloponnesiacum still in a 7x7x8cm pot. I have selected it out to become a stock plant because it looks as though it will be extremely vigorous. Look how many growth points there are; I hope that they all fully develop.

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Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 07:49 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That should be a very vigorous plant. Please keep us posted Tim.

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Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 12:00 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Gush! Looks like a heap of newly born worms! Please, hurry, Tim, add a picture with something green on top!!!!

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