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Author Message   Takeuchi  Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:18 am EST :    There is a group of camellia with deep red coloured flower. We call this group "Kurotsubaki group" in convenient. A few of them are in my narrow garden and bloomed this year. The delegate of this group is "Kurotubaki" as a cultivar name. Beside these variety I possess "Night Rider" and my seedling for this group. The former was fallen already and the latter will be introduced in other chance. "Kurotubaki" cannot hit by take cuttings. Very rarely make seed with one seed each one fruit. Root is red color. Outlook of "Kurotsubaki" "Konronkoku" the inner petals do not open even the flower falls. "Kokuryu" "Konwabisuke" Dark red flower belong to Wabisuke group. Small flower. Sorry, the flower was partially eaten by the worm. Takeuchi - Saitama-Ken, Zone "8b~9a"   Gardenfiend  My Weather My Garden Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:48 am EST :    Kurotubaki is absolutely gorgeous - both the colour and the shape of the flower. The effect of the deep red with the green leaves, in your second photo, is breathtaking! Thank you for showing us this plant. Gardenfiend - Germany, Zone "7a"   Rogervanloon  Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 03:17 pm EST :    Hello Takeuchi San, Your 'Kuro-tsubaki' (the cultivar) is gorgeous. It is described in the Meikan as an old variety. You say that it cannot be propagated by cuttings, but then how has it been propagated all these years? Seed does not produce the identical cultivar. I have small plants (rooted cuttings) of 'Kon-wabisuke' and 'Konronkoku' but it will still be a few years before I see flowers of those. Rogervanloon - Flanders, Zone "USDA 7b"   Heathergirl  My Favorite Photo My Garden Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 04:48 pm EST :    Takeuchi San, your 'Kurotubaki' is very beautiful and so many flowers on it! I love the deep red color and velvety appearance of its petals. Magnificent! Heathergirl - County Durham, Zone "8"   Takeuchi  Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:07 pm EST :    Hello! I am very glad to meet you all here. First of all, I should tell you that I made a mistake in my expression that the fruits of Kurotsubaki holding one seed. I must correct it "holding 1~3 seeds in one fruit". I am sorry. Mara san Kurotsubaki produces so　many flowers at a time as the tree exhaust hardly. So I should do thinning the young buds in autumn to keep the tree. Roger san As far as I hear there are 2 types of Kurotsubaki in Japan. The one is Kansai-type, the other Kanto-type. Kanto-type is a little smaller, more reddish leaves and deeper color of flowers. Mine is Kanto-type. The old mother tree has lost at the Yoshizawa Chinjuen nursery and mine would be one of the oldest Kanto-type around here. Kurotsubaki is very difficult to root when they taking cuttings, but I succeeded only once, using perlite media with this year scion in June and took 2 years for rooting. I usually apply grafting to propagate the difficult to propagate by cuttings varieties using C.japonica for the base. They are Kurotubaki, Akasigata, Gulio Nuccio(spell?), Tsurikagari. They are rather difficult to get even in Japan nowadays. Konronkoku is very easy to propagate by cuttings. Kokuryu a little slow in rooting. I havn't try taking cuttings Konwabisuke and Night Rider yet. Jane san Really, Kurotsubaki is rather rare and is distinguished flower in the garden. Your climate zone will be fit to make it. Takeuchi - Saitama-Ken, Zone "8b~9a"   Malgorzata  My Garden Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:05 pm EST :    Takeuchi-san, I must say I have never noticed Kurotsubaki blooms around here. Your tree covered in countless blooms is very special. I think I have to take walks around neighborhood more often. Malgorzata - Fukuoka-Kyushu, Zone "8/9"   Takeuchi  Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 02:58 am EST :    Hello Malgorzata san I also had never noticed Kurotsubaki even variegated variety around Kanda machi. Of cause I looked many camellias but they were simple double pink or red. The "Four planting Material Source" in Japan are Angyo for Tokyo,Inagi for Nagoya,Takarazuka for Oosaka, Kurume for Fukuoka. Each is connected as the supplier and the demand of the big city. If you have a chance to go to Kurume, you can see various "Kyusyu form", big stamened camellias, so called "Higo-tsubaki" The camrllia lovers in Kyusyu are historically prefer Bonsai-style than ground planting. Takeuchi - Saitama-Ken, Zone "8b~9a"   Takeuchi  Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 09:41 am EST :    Hello Roger san I can understand the meaning of your query. That is by what mean of propagation Kurotubakis are inherited to today. It is the same to the case of Japanese maples with variegated leaves. According to the literature the oldest article of grafting in Japan was AD 837th for the double flower cherry. Grafting of both camellia and maple need the highest technique as you know. The cut grafting technique which is applied nowadays to camellia was imported to Japan after the WW2. Before doing cut grafting they practiced approach grafting.The detail of approach grafting is opened on a literature "Honzo Zuhu" in 1828 written by the man in Kyusyu. I think there would be exist the same technique before this literature and they would applied to camellia to keep these difficult to propagate varieties. I am using cut grafting by using triangle grove cutter for sculpture use working with pot planted stock. The nurse seed grafting or using 1 year young stock is easy and high hitting ratio but the plant obtained is small. Takeuchi - Saitama-Ken, Zone "8b~9a"

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