Croatia,Bosnia,Montenegro,Republika Srpska Part 3

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Author Message   Addict  Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 05:02 am EST :    As we travelled further South the snow reduced and the temperatures increased but there was still snow at quite low altitudes as you will see. We moved over the border again into Bosnia & Herzegovina (the federation) to look at "classic" H. multifidus sites. On the way I saw a tiny glimpse of lime green blur from the road and we discovered a new "multifidus" site in light oak woodland especially around the margins. As there were mines signs we didn't venture in! The flowers contained 2 plants with significant markings. One striped and another picotee and some beautiful emerging foliage showing strong anthocyanin presence. Next onto a well known site where we found plants that were mainly as described - green but a very few with some picotee and 1 with light spotting. Crocus and muscari were present. The site was generally open grazed pasture with some light scrub and woodland. The site AND ONE QUITE SPECTACULAR FORM WITH VERY REDUCED SEPALS - I WONDER IF I COULD SELL IT AS "HARVEY'S STAR WILD FORM!" In joke to some UK lurkers! muscari From here we had the most horrendous trip South to Dubrovnik as the coast road was closed and the diversion via a tiny dust track was tortuous, full of lorries and all traffic South and added about 130k to the distance as it kept double backing!!!!!} addict Staffordshire zone 8(just) UK   Matthias  Supporting Member Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 06:42 am EST :    Could you give an area, Mike, for that "new" site? Seems interesting I understand it was in BiH. Is that correct? Matthias - South Germany, Zone "7"   Gabycher  Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 07:33 am EST :    Thanks so much, Mike, for once again helping our minds travel to places most of us will never see for real! I love the picotée one,- what a beautiful find! Gaby Gabycher - Quebec, Zone "5a / 4b"   Jeffnz  Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 02:56 pm EST :    Mike Thanks for sharing these with us, this continues to illustrate just ow diverse the species is and how many exciting discoveries lie in wait for the intrepid. I wonder if any one has considered using MINED AREA signs to protect hellebore sites, just kidding but the disappearance of hellebore habitats seems to be an inevitable fact. Jeffnz - Wellington, Zone "?"   Addict  Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 03:21 am EST :    Hi Matthias - it was in the Federation of Bosnia & Herzegovinia in the general area of Peci. Is that close enough if not pm me and I can give better idea. Yes Jeff I thought about adding some Mined Area signs. I think they're nneeded more up north around the atrorubens sites - the South seem much better and wilder due to access problems and barring climate change species should be safe for a long time - see part 4 on H. herzegov!!!!! addict Staffordshire zone 8(just) UK   Terryk  Supporting Member My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 05:06 am EST :    Thanks Mike for the ongoing report of the trip. It looks like you got to see a good deal, even with the snow. Hopefully the trip lived up to, and exceeded, your expectations. Having visited with Tim, I know he really goes out of his way to show one as much as he can to make the trip a memorable one. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Matthias  Supporting Member Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 05:30 am EST :    Hi Mike, yes, that's close enough, thank you. Under better weather conditions one can find quite a few sites along that route, also in scrubby grassland shortly north of Drvar. A few km further south from Peci is the Dinara between BiH and HR. I have seen photos from there taken by zoologists with hellebores all over the place in subalpine meadows. Access seems difficult because it's a very rough dust road going up into the mountains and no signs. Wanted to go there this spring but we were a bit late and so we focussed on that site above Vrlika. Should be more or less classic multifidus in the Dinara with the odd red edge or some veining sometimes like in your photos. Matthias - South Germany, Zone "7"   Galanthophile  Supporting Member My Favorite Photo My Garden Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 02:25 pm EST :    What a journey! I am amazed at the lengths you go on these fascinating field trips! Thanks for sharing these experiences. Galanthophile - Ann (Northern England), Zone "8"   Joyday  Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 03:12 am EST :    Really great adventure! Are you planing to come to Serbia?We have Hellebores too! Joyday - Serbia, Zone "?"   Addict  Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 05:51 am EST :    Joyday, I would love to come to Serbia as I know there are some of the best Hellebores there! But sadly it is a question of money or more correctly - lack of it by the time air fares, car hire, petrol,tolls and accommodation are added it is very expensive. I also would love to go to albania , Georgia, Slovenia. I must say I really enjoyed meeting all of the people and seeing such wonderful relatively unspoiled nature that I am seriously considering moving to the Balkans or Eastern Europe. Matthias is so fortunate here having the ability to drive everywhere and use his own vehicle if he wishes. The traditions and customs are so special I hope you don't lose them too quickly or become globalised/Westernised. even my other favourite country France has become "Americanised" in terms of language and food and culture ( I never thought I'd see that day!) Delighted to welcome you to the forum especially Hellebores please contribute often with photos and comments about your native species I shall be posting part 4 soon guys but it is the biggest part of the trip and processing the photos takes days.It'll be worth it as it is mainly herzegovinus and stunning foliage plus some wild life. addict Staffordshire zone 8(just) UK   Joyday  Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 06:15 am EST :    Yes, it is still untouched nature here, but I`m afraid that it won`t last much longer!I`m going to the canyon of river Uvac in two weeks, and if I run into some Hellebores I will post pictures!I must admit that i`m not an expert for them, but really like them! As far as the costs that are needed for visiting Serbia, I must tell you that it is much cheaper than in Slovenia, but I know that everything about any trip is a money eater! And please, if you decide to come to live here, we could switch, I wouldn`t mind living in the UK! Joyday - Serbia, Zone "?"   Matthias  Supporting Member Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 01:45 pm EST :    Joyday, I'm very glad you have found the way to this forum. Welcome! Don't expect too many responses: this forum (like others here) dies more or less after the hellebore flowering season is over ... I spent a few days in Serbia with a botanist from Belgrade in 2006 and found very interesting hellebores in the mountains between Raska and Kraljevo east and west of the river Ibar. You can find Helleborus odorus and Helleborus serbicus in this region and many sites where both species have formed "hybrid" swarms. I would be very interested in ANY photos of hellebores in the Uvac canyon or that general region. I guess from photos (but am not sure) that the natural conditions (limestone bedrock) there should be favourable for hellebores. So, if you find any, please post photos and take a few notes, where you found them. Good luck and best wishes from a friend of the people of your beautiful country Matthias P.S.: Mike, I've just returned from a short trip to Romania exploring Helleborus purpurascens there. The ticket for the return flight was about 35 (thirty five) Euros. Matthias - South Germany, Zone "7"

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