In what order do the Viorna group emerge?

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Author Message   Mike_in_chicago  Supporting Member My Garden Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 07:39 am EST :    I have some viorna that seem to come up early, some crispa and pitcheri that always come up late, but they're in warm and cold microclimates, respectively. This year I'll have some of my new seedlings coming up (I hope), but all in the same area. The viornas, fuscas and addisonis are mostly up, plants grown from seeds from hybrids like Odoriba, Buckland Beauty, etc. are up, nothing yet from any pitcheri, crispa or their crosses. Can anyone give me a timeline of what comes up when? Thanks! Mike_in_chicago - Chicago, IL, Zone "5b"   Kristl  My Garden Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 08:00 am EST :    The only viorna group species that is up at my end is fremontii, but then my 3 feet of snow only disappeared recently. Kristl - Ontario, Zone "4"   Gardenbug  Supporting Member Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 08:11 am EST :    Mike, at my place Fusca is first. But I see Buckland Beauty, Fudo, Myofuku and Crispas emerging in my full sun area. It is THE MOST ADVANCED SPRING HERE THIS YEAR! Some plants are shooting up with huge numbers of stems,(Roguchi, Little Bas, Mary Rose, Mikelite, Fukuzono) while others are only showing one or two so far-(Kaiu, Honora, Iubileinyi-70 and more). The variation is surprising. Gardenbug - Ontario, Zone "4/5"   Keith_treadaway  Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 02:28 pm EST :    It depends to a certain extent on situation etc, and this can vary enormously. For me hirsutissima is usually the first to emerge, buit then they are in what is in effect an alpine house, likewise fremontii and the other American integrifolia types. Then it is a free for all, with reticulata usually being near the end of the emergers. Flowering is along the same lines, with the middle group usually being headed by addisonii. Keith_treadaway - Pembrokeshire, Zone "8 - 9"   Kristl  My Garden Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 03:35 pm EST :    Keith: My hirsutissima is ALWAYS first in the garden here too - I did not mention it because it is not technically in the viorna group (is it?). Your hirsutissima is in the alpine house in the UK- and mine is out in the open garden in Canada (which until a bit over a week ago was covered with 3 feet of snow). It is not unlike a lot of alpines, in fact---the second the snow is gone, it is up. I have been photographing its daily progress in fact and today it appears as though a first bud is forming. I have many clones of this species in the garden; a few come up with red foliage. Kristl - Ontario, Zone "4"   Bluethumb  Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 09:49 pm EST :    I have a couple of fremontii seedlings up, plus a scottii and hirsutissima. Interestingly texensis cross Duchess of Albany is also up. No sign of crispa yet (planted near DOA in a sheltered location). Odoriba, pitcheri, 2 other texensis crosses and Kaiu are not yet up but are in cooler positions. Great to see yours taking off Kristl, they look wonderful. Always amazing how fast they go when they decide the conditions are to their liking. Bluethumb - Alberta, Zone "3b"   Jim_sullivan  Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 11:47 pm EST :    Great to see your hirsutissima photos, Kristl. We will not see this plant here in Saskatchewan for some time yet though. Possibly more snow yet in the forecast. When will spring come! Jim_sullivan - Saskatchewan, Zone "3a"   Mike_in_chicago  Supporting Member My Garden Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 05:24 am EST :    The red foliage is beautiful, like peonies emerging. Thanks for the responses. Like I said, I have mature plants doing their usual, and seedlings I planted as an experiment, wondering when I can consider them dead. Grey-Wilson has hirsutissima in the subgenus Viorna, not the group. Johnson has it in the Section Viorna. Mike_in_chicago - Chicago, IL, Zone "5b"

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