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Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 10:31 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Suzy is the problem on BC for selfing (I'm reading this in). What about from one BC to another? Just wondering!

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Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 11:43 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Lovely plant,Suzy,and well worth your wait.Doesn't matter about all the other casualties if you end up with a really good new plant.Congratulations.

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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 03:46 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

A very lovely seedling! I like the colour and the structure very much! And you are telling us a very exciting and interesting story! Look forward to see more of Betty's child in the future!

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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:13 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Clayton, I don't believe that Betty Corning can produce her own pollen or simply release it(as Alison suggested), which I see as the sole reason for her inability to self pollinate.
If this is the case, then any attempt to use another Betty C would simply be futile.
Seeing that Betty has no problem growing seed when different clematis pollen is introduced, it seems most reasonable to assume that Betty's only fertility problem lies somewhere in the production or the release of her own pollen.
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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:15 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Thank you, Louiza, Ingmarie and Richard for your kind words, too!
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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:36 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Suzy, that's real beauty! I love the third picture that shows both the dark and light sides. That will look wonderful on a mature plant. I also loved the picture of your "nursury/nursery".

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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:03 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hey there, Katy, I've missed seeing you here. How is your wonderful California clematis garden going? Your contribution to clematis in the California area has been missed on this forum. How are your extensive plantings doing now ?? Please let us know!
Suzy
PS: And thank you for your nice words about this BC seedling. Most importantly, how are you and your garden going?

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Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 02:30 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Suzy, it is a beautiful dark flower and I hope that your plant grows out to a stranger plant as my plants(small plants and few flowers).

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Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:02 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Suzy, I have written that most of my plants are not very strong but today I have found a plant BET005 with a lot of buds and flowers and very healthy plant.

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Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 01:14 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ton, it's so good to see that you have at least one strong plant from all of Betty's seedlings. It's very pretty, too! The shape and color is slightly different than mine. Isn't it fun to see the difference in Betty's children? If any more of my Betty seedlings decide to flower this summer I will make sure to post pictures for you to see. Thank you for posting your very healthy seedling. It is lovely. I wonder if yours will be as big as her mother someday?
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Posted on Monday, June 30, 2008 - 10:24 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Great to see a sister seedling Ton, very interesting to see the differences and similarities and lovely it's a vigorous one too.

I found a crispa seedling with a newly opened flower, so removed a stamen from it to compare with the ones from Betty Corning. Here's the proof that BC does not produce pollen. The crispa stamen hasn't opened yet to release the pollen but the fat areas on both sides of the stalk are the developing pollen. Betty's stamen has only the central stalk with no pollen evident.

Betty Corning stamens on left, Crispa on right.

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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 07:56 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Terrific Alison, our suspicions are now confirmed by your photos....Betty produces NO POLLEN ! Thank you very much for taking the time to get these shots in macro. It is so very much appreciated. :>)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 10:06 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Alison, I really think that you should start a new thread with your Crispa vs. Betty stamen pictures. Can you ? I'll bet that not many folks will see these pictures.
It is so very interesting to see with ones own eyes that Betty truly is sterile!
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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 11:32 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

A note that viticella anthers are shaped very much like the BC anthers you're showing, Alison, with the pollen sac being narrow rather than flattened out. BC is supposed to be a viticella/crispa hybrid.

That being said, I don't think I've ever seen pollen on BC's anthers, and I usually go around checking at different times of the day with a jeweler's loupe. On the other hand, she just may produce very little, since one doesn't see individual pollen grains, but rather clumps of them.

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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 11:09 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

For comparison here are Betty Corning stamens on the left with species Viticella stamens on the right. Viticella has tons of obvious pollen (you can even see clumps of pollen that have fallen off onto the paper beside the stamens).
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Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 01:05 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

You are right. My BC flowers have no POLLEN!

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