What does moderate vigorous vs vigorous mean?

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Author Message   Karalyn  My Weather Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:31 am EST :    In Mary's book descriptions are used by writing Hardy, moderately vigorous, compact, deciduous climber such as, 'Beauty of Worcester'. Then Hardy, vigorous, deciduous climber, 'Beauty of Richmond'. Another one is Hardy, weak-growing, compact deciduous climber 'Bees Jubilee'. Then some more; Belle of Woking is hardy, not very strong growing, deciduous climber and 'Benedictus' is hardy, not very vigorous, compact deciduous climber. So what does this all mean? I like the ones that say extremely floriferous cultivar. Which is describing 'Bill MacKenzie'. Karalyn Idaho Zone 6   Spider  Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:53 am EST :    How long is a piece of string???? Spider - North Lincolnshire, Zone "UK"   Gardenbug  Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 11:31 am EST :    Yes, a very good answer Spider! I muddled through those explanations too. I even have many of the plants and could not relate to their matching descriptions. My suggestion is...try them! Gardenbug Ontario zone 4b/5b   Karalyn  My Weather Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 12:08 pm EST :    Spider, you are reminding me of a certain poster on that other website GW that made fun of me! Umpf! Bug, I have tried Bees Jubilee and it definitely was a weak grower. I still will check later to see if there are any roots. I planted it next to the cherry tree. So it had some sun and shade. Well, I guess I'll go for the good descriptions first, but then I still have all the seeds I've planted and I'll see what those bring. ;-) Karalyn Idaho Zone 6   Spider  Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 02:33 am EST :    No offence meant! As Marie said, though, it is often a case of 'suck it and see'. I think Mary T has very wisely avoided being too specific about this because habit does really depend on so many factors - location, soil, feeding, to name but three. She qualifies this a little on p. 14 of the book. Spider - North Lincolnshire, Zone "UK"   Gardenbug  Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 04:30 am EST :    Karalyn, I gave my Bee's Jubilee away to friends who liked it. It wasn't my personal favourite...but it was VERY floriferous! At only 3-4 feet tall it had well over 50 huge blooms. The Big Tease is right in saying that habit depends on many factors. Also, "weak" can refer not just to amount of bloom but to the general plant growth. Some have lush foliage, others very little. Some are prone to disease. All sorts of things to consider. Again, I say try them. :-) Gardenbug Ontario zone 4b/5b   Karalyn  My Weather Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:29 am EST :    Katie, Okay, first I'll check this spring unless I can do it now and see if there are any roots at all. Then I'll move it. BTW, I got your seeds yesterday. That was neat. I thought you had forgotten me. lol Neat Pics too. Thanks, Spider, I'll check out pg 14. I guess with some of my inexperience I get frustrated at the money I spend and then don't get the results I wanted. But I'm learning here so much now that I should be more successful in my plantings and soil prep. etc. Karalyn Idaho Zone 6   Frostycurls  My Weather My Garden Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:55 am EST :    And even what is "weak" in one person's garden will be strong and vigorous in another's. If you love it, try it if you can find it, is my motto. One of my most vigorous and long flowering clematis was declared "ungarden worthy" by another poster but we live in different climates, probably have different soil types etc. etc. all of which affect how the plants grow. Penny Oregon Zone 7

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