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Kvilledude
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 02:24 am EST : |   |
I just got my Wayside Gardens catalog yesterday and they had a new clematis from Ray Evison listed. It is called Franzsiska Marie and is a multiple purple blossom flowering clematis that blooms on old and new wood. They kind of screwed up in the catalog as it is listed in one place as a Type II and the other as a Type III but I think it is II since it blooms on both types of wood. Following is a link to it in the catalog.
http://www.waysidegardens.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10067&langId=-1&mainPage=prod2working&ItemId=46059&FromTextSearch=clematis
Kvilledude |
Spider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 10:19 am EST : | |
It looks just like 'Kiri te Kanawa'. How strange, given the rivalry between clematis breeders, that Evison should introduce a clematis which looks just like one bred by Barry Fretwell! But then all the summer 2003 introductions from Evison looked just like something else, as well. I'm sure, though, that this has been checked out for commercial viability. I just hope it's more reliable than the hideous 'Josephine' - you would not believe how many people I have heard complaining about that one, yet, to read the propaganda, you would think that the ghastly pink can-can skirt is the best thing since sliced bread. I think the principle is 'You can fool most of the people most of the time.'
Spider
- North Lincolnshire,
Zone "UK"
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Gardenbug
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 12:06 pm EST : | |
"the rivalry between clematis breeders" never ceases to amaze me. Reading the various books, one does have to laugh. I had a good chuckle over Jim Fisk's account of Moonlight/Yellow Queen/Wada's Primrose in his book. I guess there is ego involved in every trade!
Just wait 'til Suzy and I have a go at it with our seedlings! 
Gardenbug Ontario zone 4b/5b |
Diveanddig
My Garden
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 04:35 pm EST : | |
Hmmm. My three Josephine took several years to get going and eventually became very nice doubles. It is certainly very different.
Bill Bird - Westchester Co., NY - Zone 6 |
Scilla
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 06:05 pm EST : | |
Ian, don't you let those grousers get to you. Besides, you are very talented yourself and probably get a lot of darts thrown your way.
Looking at human nature, too often we see when someone is blessed and gifted with amazing talents, others often are jealous and have to try to degrade their output. We have some psychologists in our group and I'd bet they can come up with a medical term for running other people down to make themselves feel better as they realize they don't measure up in that other person's special gift area.
The sad part is that each one of us is so precious and has our own gifts. Those who are jealous rob themselves of seeing and developing their own gifts while they are looking through the store window with green eyes at someone else's talents.
Besides, rejoicing in the good fortune of others makes you richer and gives you so much more joy than running others down.
Ray Evision, Bill Gates, and David Austin are each very gifted men in not only creative areas, but business areas, yet one hears so much negative if one listens. I don't. I don't have their gifts, but I do have my own, and if I were to be snippy about them in any way, I'd not be at peace and joy myself.
As for lousy looking clematis, hmmm, I think it was Brewster Rogerson who wrote that a climate and geographical location makes a great deal of difference in the way a clematis blooms. I am rather fond of how they bloom in my own garden.
Life would be rather boring if we all liked the same thing, though -- it is healthier to just let the things we don't like be the joy of another -- in a nutshell, live and let live and keep the joy! We'll stay healthier that way.
Scilla
- Washington State,
Zone "5"
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Kvilledude
My Weather
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 01:56 am EST : | |
Ian, it would be strange if this new clematis bears a resemblance to another one already out there. I am not in the loop as many of you all are as to the fierce competition between breeders and their introductions. I personally like this clematis for its color, who can't love purple, but am wary of ordering anything new until it has some sort of track record. Also, the fact that Wayside Gardens is involved makes me more wary since there is much controversy over the quality of material this nursery puts out.
Kvilledude
- North Carolina,
Zone "7A"
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Spider
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 02:45 am EST : | |
Bug - can't wait.
Scilla - isn't amateur psychology entertaining?
Bill - a straight question - they are different but do you like them? I love Kiri te Kanawa. As for Josephine, I find the colours far too overstated. On top of that, I find it a very poorly-growing plant and, as I said, have heard the same comments from others. Perhaps your conditions over the pond are more suitable, who knows? Ultimately, as we have discussed before, reactions to the aesthetics of any plant are subjective and comments on how they grow are so dependent on how and where.
Spider
- North Lincolnshire,
Zone "UK"
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Scilla
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 03:22 am EST : | |
Ian, yep! amateur psychology is fun for the mind and even better for the soul. If we learned the goodness of spirit at a young age, we'd not have bitter old folks.
For the record, I have two of the Fran-whatever Maries ordered from Wayside and also have 4 Kiri te Kanawa growing and blooming (not now, though) in my gardens. Their similarities will be rather exciting to see in the comparisons.
Ian, when you come out with a tomato-orange clematis, I will most likely have a similar opinion of it as you do of Josephine, as that simply is not my most cherished color. The orangey colored rose Tropicana sends others into tailspins of ecstasy while I just let mine grow without my own praises but simply for the delight of visitors.
Besides, wouldn't life be rather dull if we were all alike!
If you don't order Fran-whatever Marie, Miguel, I'll be posting shots when mine bloom anyway, along with the blossoms of Kiri Te Kanawa, so we can compare them as both will bloom in the same garden.
Ton posted a great shot of Kiri this season, and now I'm wondering if he has Fran-whatever Marie as well. Would love to hear his viewpoint.
As for Wayside's quality of material, I've had good and not so good, but have learned that they stand behind their product with refunds on disappointments.
Remember this summer when I posted that they had Betty Corning for sale? The catalog advertised 2-3 year old bare root plants. Those I received were itsy bitsy and potted in 2" pots. YEEKS, bummer. I called and expressed my disappointment in a kindly manner and viola, shocked me to pieces, they refunded the total amount.
Then my greenhouse arrived with no instruction book and pieces that didn't quite fit and they also refunded that entire amount. They do back up their merchandise well, it seems to me.
Scilla
- Washington State,
Zone "5"
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Kvilledude
My Weather
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 01:20 pm EST : | |
I'll look forward to seeing how yours arrive and do Scilla. I am like a few people on this forum who don't really go in for type 2 clematis. I do have 6 (I believe) in the ground so far and any others I get will depend on how they do. I am a sucker for purple though.
As to Waysides, I have heard not so good things about them on several other websites as well as on Garden Watchdog. The price on their clematis doesn't look bad but on some of their other things, like the 29.95 My Angel and loads of their other perennials, the price much less the shipping is out the roof and into the stratosphere. Look forward to seeing yours in bloom though!!!!
Kvilledude
- North Carolina,
Zone "7A"
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