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Gardenfiend
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| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 10:15 am EST : |   
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Sorry to disagree, but the new roses really should be mounded up right away, to keep them from losing too much moisture. Their roots aren't working yet, and the stems lose moisture to the wind. First given a good watering-in (you probably already did that), then right after, mounded up.
In fact, before you even plant them, it is a good idea to submerge the plants in water for a day or so: outdoors, of course.
We are talking about bare-root roses, I trust. If not ignore the above. :)
Mara Germany zone 6-7 |
Susanq
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 10:27 am EST : |
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Not bare-root, Mara. They're were all in large 5-gallon pots.
I haven't mulched or mounded them yet!
SusanQ - Zone 4b-5b Wisconsin |
Terryk
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 09:01 am EST : |
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Can you mound up with wood chips or is this too heavy? My leaves were added to the compost pile. Marie you mentioned cutting back your climbers. Mine are woven into the fence which makes it a bit difficult. Can you spray them as you do Rhododendrons to keep loss of moisture to a minimum. Last year we did not have as much snow but bitter cold and windy. I lost some roses. Currently I have three established New Dawn and one new one. I also have one new Mme Alfred Carrière.
Terryk
- NY,
Zone "6"
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Gardenbug
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 09:34 am EST : |
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I only cut back exceptionally long stems that were likely to be tossed about and snapped in bitter winds. If yours are weaving nicely into your fence, I would leave them!
Susan, I have weeded around my roses, but still not mounded or caged them. But I am speaking of roses that were planted last spring or even older. I think your 5 gallon "babies" will be fine mounded up in a few weeks. Snow expected Thursday...ugh.
Gardenbug Ontario zone 4b/5b |
Gardenfiend
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 09:38 am EST : |
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Roses are normally mounded up with soil. I use compost from the heap, because I've always got lots of it.
It's far better not to cut roses now - for one thing frost can penetrate deeper when they are cut back. Especially not in your climate where you can expect little or no die-back on New Dawn and Mme Alfred Carrière.
I don't think established New Dawns have to be mounded up. But the new one should. Mme Alfred Carrière certainly ought to be. Just toss soil to approx. 20cm high (= something like 8 inches, I think) around the stems. Normally it should do fine in your zone. If you really want to be super careful you could cover the stems with garden fleece or hang some evergreen branches on them. That's just to keep off the drying sun and avoid extreme temperature swings. That might not be a bad idea if this is its first winter. After that I don't think it is necessary. I didn't bother with mine, and it came through its first winter without even losing its leaves (I had to cut them off in spring)!
You definitely don't have to spray the roses. Rhododendrons suffer more from dehydration because they keep their leaves. Roses are less of a problem. With Rhodos, if you water them well before a freeze, I don't think there's any need to spray them either. It's not done here; the Rhodos just hang their leaves when it gets very cold, to help reduce evaporation, and perk up again once the weather warms up.
Mara Germany zone 6-7 |
Terryk
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 10:49 am EST : |
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Thanks Mara.
Terryk
- NY,
Zone "6"
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Digger
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 09:29 am EST : |
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Hi Susan, not experts here but we don't mound or mulch until the ground is frozen solid unless subzero (°F) temps are forecast. Let us know how your roses planted in fall do. I quit planting roses in fall years ago because of the high mortality rate. We hate losing roses :) Luckily, we haven't lost any in 6 years (in spite of some of my hare brained protection experiments).
Dave Boyd Billings, Montana Zone 4a/5b |
Lilybeetle
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 09:00 am EST : |
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I use peat moss to mound the roses after the ground has frozen solid. That way I don't have to worry about having enough unfrozen compost. The peat moss seems to work well for me as it does not get saturated with water. In the spring when I pull it away it just gets worked into the ground. As I understand it - another reason for not mounding the roses too early is that it creates a nice warm bed for mice to settle in and they can knaw at the tender bark and ruin the plant. Sometimes I also wrap the more tender roses with a thermal blanket. Our ground here is still completely workable so I won't be putting the roses to bed for a while.
Lilybeetle
- Ontario,
Zone "4B"
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Gardenbug
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 01:49 pm EST : |
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Yes, I think that sounds like an excellent idea Lily! I am worried each Fall about when is the exact moment to mound the soil around the plants and when my heap of soil will be too frozen to work with. At the moment it is in front of the garage with snow on top of its tarp!
The mice are a serious issue for me. They have girdled shrubs and eaten tree bark and perennials in the past. Heartbreaking!
Gardenbug Ontario zone 4b/5b |
Susanq
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:23 am EST : |
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Our ground is still soft too so I will wait patiently to mound them.
Thanks for the peat moss idea, Kim! It has been raining for two days
now so I'm hoping their roots are still growing strong.
I will try to remember to post their survival rate in the spring!
SusanQ - Zone 4b-5b Wisconsin |
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