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Sunnyday2day
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 11:37 am EST : |   
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Thanks Timo!  Glad you shed some light on the subject...
SunnyDay2Day mid-Michigan Zone 5
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Kvilledude
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 11:52 am EST : |
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Thanks Timo for the information on Cezanne. Perhaps the Festoon Collection hasn't been released. I did find Cezanne on COTW and it says it was released in 2002. The Festoon Collection is listed on COTW under the individual clematis names (Avant Garde, Bonanza, Confetti, and one other that I can't think of off the top of my head) but it also says they were to be released in 2004. Perhaps they didn't get their ducks in a row and get them out yet!
If anyone ever sees any data about pruning types and hardiness for the Festoon collection, I for one would appreciate having the information posted like I did with the RHS clematis last year. I would like to know before purchasing the genetic potential of the clematis I purchase since new type 2s that are introduced without adequate trialing may be bad wilters and I don't want them in my garden.
Kvilledude
- North Carolina,
Zone "7A"
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Ingwe4
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 08:22 pm EST : |
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Gardenfiend wrote on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 12:18 pm:The latest German clematis book doesn't either.
I'm very curious about German clematis books Mara! Could you tell me/us about them and especially the latest? Thank you!
Ingmarie Sweden Zone 1 USD zone 6
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Gardenfiend
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:21 pm EST : |
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Andreas Bärtels and Klaus Kaiser just came out with a brand new one called "Clematis" (hmmm). It was billed as the definitive German work on the subject and for that it is pretty disappointing. Here's a link to a couple of "reviews" in a German forum (one from me), for anyone who can read German
Gartenliteratur-Forum
There's another, further up, which is more positive.
Apart from the silly design that makes it look like a children's book, I would have liked more - and better! - pictures. Since it is new I also would have expected to find some of the very latest cultivars, but didn't. Species seem to be well-covered, but I'm not really able to judge that. The large-flowered cultivars that are covered are generally described in great detail, which is good. I thought I'd have a look at their description of 'Ivan Olssen' and discovered it isn't even listed! That, I think, says it all.
The last part of the book is cluttered with insane, nearly illegible tables in various shades of baby pink, orange and yellow. They are meant to help you choose which clematis to plant where - provided you can manage to follow the x-axis to where it meets the y-axis and then figure out what the "x" actually refers to.
Mara Germany zone 6-7 |
Timo
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 04:57 am EST : |
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Miguel, in my eyes the plants in the Festoon collection are clematis of the groups Viticella, Jackmanii and Diversifolia/Integrifolia, that means typical group 3 plants. The hardines is given in the Willoway-link: zones 3 to 9.
Timo
- Finland,
Zone "USDA 4"
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Kvilledude
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:56 am EST : |
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Thanks Timo. If the pruning groups had been a snake, they would have bitten me! Time for new glasses. The pictures of the Festoon collection clematis looked very integrifolia-ish to me and possibly like they had some viticella blood in them.
In my eyes, confetti looks like an integrifolia-ish type plant and also reminds me somewhat of the picture of Odoriba on the Chalk Hill website. Avant-Garde is one that looks very interesting to me and looks like a viticella hybrid. Vesuvius and Bonanza are more difficult for me to tell much about especially with the coloration of Bonanza (is that the right color or has it been modified or distorted by the picture taking process?) but the blooming period sure sounds like type IIIs.
Kvilledude
- North Carolina,
Zone "7A"
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Ingwe4
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 05:31 pm EST : |
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Thank you for the review Mara! Very interesting. I have followed your link and understood as much that this is not a book to spend money on! Schade! We have only two clematis books here in the Swedish language: A translation of Walter Hörsch's 'Clematis So Blühen Sie Am Schönsten' and of course Magnus Johnson's 'Släktet Klematis' one of my fav clematis books. But Sweden is such a small country and so Germany much, much bigger, so I thought it interesting to know a little about the clematis books in your country. How about the interest in clematis in Germany? You've Lothar Sachs Clematisgartnerei and Wihelm Kruse Clematisgartnerei (on Internet) and of course Westphal listed in Charles Chesshire's new book. There are quite many clematis books in English and from Internet I found that many of the old will be published in new editions... Thank you again!
Ingmarie Sweden Zone 1 USD zone 6
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Gardenfiend
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 06:36 pm EST : |
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Yes, the book is rather a waste of money.
Do you know what's happening at Wilhelm Kruse's nursery? The web site has had a notice up for many months now saying: Our plants need care, so our shop will be temporarily closed. In the shop, all the clematis are listed as temporarily out of stock. It's been like that since the summer.
Westphal was at the plant fair in Berlin for the first time this autumn, and his large stand was packed with buyers. It was difficult getting through to someone who would take my money, there was such a crush. So it would seem there is a lively interest in Clematis here. I have the feeling it has been growing in parallel with interest in historical and English roses.
Mara Germany zone 6-7 |
Perennial_girl
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 01:41 am EST : |
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Kvilledude, I checked out Willoway Nurseries. Are they a wholesale company? So can I assume they don't sell seeds? Oh I luv some of those clematis pictures. They are gorgeous.
:) Donna
Perennial_girl
- Manitoba,
Zone "4/5"
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Kvilledude
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:26 am EST : |
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Yes Donna. They are wholesale and they sell only clematis plants. I contacted them trying to see if they would sell to the public and they won't. I even tried to get them to tell me the names of companies that they sold to that might do internet sales to the public and all I got was that there were no people in North Carolina that they sold to. Not exactly what I wanted since I was just looking for any company that sold on the internet that shipped so that I could order online. Guess we will have to wait until they are more available unless anyone here has a wholesale license.
Kvilledude
- North Carolina,
Zone "7A"
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Sunnyday2day
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 12:29 pm EST : |
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Miguel...funny isn't it that they wouldn't reveal who they sold to. After all, it would encourage sales to tell who their retailers were. Go figure...
SunnyDay2Day mid-Michigan Zone 5
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Hunnerbun
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 04:48 pm EST : |
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I thought the exact same thing Tanya...you'd think they would want to increase their own business!
Weird!
Hunnerbun
- Manitoba,
Zone "0b"
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