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Author Message   Tim  Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 12:29 am EST :    I had a trip to Tile Barn Nursery yesterday. No other cyclamen nursery like it in the world, and Peter Moore's growing skills are unrivalled (as you'll see in later photos). The photos below are of the most attractive C. hederifolium leaves I have ever seen. Stocks of this plant are still being bulked up, so none available yet as far as I know. Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "   Galanthophile  My Favorite Photo My Garden Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 12:38 am EST :    How lucky you are to go to this nursery - what fantastic plants! They are really something else! Did you buy anything? I went to the Northumberland AGS show yesterday and there were some wonderful plants on display. I have lots of photos to post. Galanthophile - Ann (Northern England), Zone "8"   Kaguyahime  My Favorite Photo My Garden Journal Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 05:11 am EST :    Unrivalled I agree, I wonder how many seeds he has sown to be able to select and breed on with the best forms? ,truly some stunning-atractive foliage patterns! Kaguyahime - oost-Vlaanderen, Zone "8"   Kniphofia  My Favorite Photo My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 05:46 am EST :    Wow, they are incredible! Kniphofia - Maine, Zone "4"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 07:04 am EST :    Tim, I have been waiting all weekend for your post! This is a great treat for an early Sunday morning. I think I prefer the leaves in photo 2 and 3, but the one in photo 1 sure is different. It is actually the shape of the leave that throws me off, maybe I just need to get used to it. How lucky to get to see them up close. I can't wait to see the rest of your posts. By the way, I think you have some beauties sitting in your own glasshouse. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Gardenbug  Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 08:40 am EST :    Tim, I wish we could have you post an FAQ at the top of this forum. I need a flow chart to keep track of the different types. I also am confused by which ones appear when...and why some bloom without leaves, which types have which shaped leaves, how long it takes for the bulblets to mature, how to prevent squirrels and chipmunks from destroying them etc etc etc. These are all questions that reappear each season. I found 2 quite good sized hederifolium plants and planted them outdoors the other day. I'm hoping the critters will allow me to enjoy them over time! I think I'm going to dare to plant out my seedlings this week, rather than baby them under lights over the winter. Gardenbug - Ontario, Zone "4/5"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:18 am EST :    Hi Marie, that's a great idea. I can only tell you a few things, some you probably already know-c. purpurascens, c. graecum and hederifolium are fall bloomers. My c. purpurascens and c. hederifolium have leaves but they are only 1 year old plants so they may behave differently next year. C. coum is spring. You know the shape of c. purpurascens-pretty round and so are coum, I believe. C. hederifolium tend to be a heart shape or a more pointed leaf and so do c. graecum. Actually, Tim, you could probably copy and paste your description from your seed for sale and that would help too. Good luck Marie with your outdoor cyclamen. I am also checking mine for the same reasons. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Tim  Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:53 am EST :    Hi Marie - I'm up for it if you think it will benefit the forum. Would Ej need to clear it first? If you, or anybody else wants to set up the framework for such an idea, I'm happy to enter information. Jonathan, I dare say that many seedlings from such plants come through with leaves which aren't as 'clean' as those in the photos, or with a dull central shield, something like that. Or perhaps not much seed is set in the first place. Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 01:12 pm EST :    Tim you are going to have to give up your job to devote your time to gb. First you practically answer every question in this forum, then you volunteer to do the database project on cyclamen and hellebores (see the social forum for the database project info), now this. All kidding aside, it would help us novices a great deal. I for one would second this if need be so Ej would approve. Marie are you going to put something together for Tim? I think all of your ideas are great, one that I would add, is minimum temperature so we know if we can plant outdoors. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Gardenbug  Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 01:56 pm EST :    I posted the idea at Suggestions and Comments, above. I believe someone needs to second it, but perhaps Ej would rather not move in this direction, so we'll wait and see. Gardenbug - Ontario, Zone "4/5"   Carol23  Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 09:39 am EST :    Ok, now I am drooling over those leaves! As much as I love flowers, I am leaning more to foliage since it is around for so much longer. Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"   Wilsonae_cyclamen  My Weather Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 12:53 pm EST :    EJ, a data base forum for Cyclamen and Hellebore is a great idea and would be invaluable both for experts and amateurs alike - I third and fourth the motion! Tim, I know you are superman; but how will you ever get all this done and run your business. It would be a boon and we most certainly would look forward to accessing information on all the complexities in growing, propagating cyclamen and hellebore, both indoors and outdoors, not to mention the identification and providing the ideal conditions for said plants! wilsonae cyclamen Wilsonae_cyclamen - New York, Zone "6 (?)"   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:50 pm EST :    Tim, do you know the wild origin of Peter Moore´s Cyclamen hederifolium? The leaves of the central three plants in the third photo are my favourites. Also the central young leaf in the second photo is most attractive. Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Tim  Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 02:02 pm EST :    They are the leaves I was concentrating on Matthias. The dark green leaf with the silver centre is fantastic. I'm not sure of the origins of this particular plant. It may well have simply cropped up in amongst the thousands of seedlings Peter grows, but I can't be sure of that. If it does stem from a known wild collection, I would say that collection was made in Greece somewhere. Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "   Matthias  Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 06:21 am EST :    Tim, I agree, leaves like this can crop in the wild or any time in seedlings from cultivated plants. In Italy I have seen C. hederifolium plants with very distinct leaves that have arisen in the midst of rather "ordinary" plants. If you grow thousands of seedlings you will inevitably end up with some surprises, I think. I wonder which factors govern these leaf patterns. This question and the question what causes the different shades of silver and green in cyclamen leaves (and in fact in many other plant genera, like pulmonaria and ... ) remains unanswered in the Grey-Wilson monograph, which I find rather unsatisfactory. I remember reading that silver is caused by air bubbles or air pockets between the leaf epidermis and the underlying leaf tissue. But what causes the different shades of green? Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 07:51 am EST :    I too would be interested in an answer to this Matthias. Terryk - NY, Zone "6"

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