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Carol23
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 11:39 am EST : |   
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In with the Opuntia which grows beneath the south-facing eave of the house, I found this! Surprise! Almost all of my Cyclamen are growing in pots so this must have been seed from the potted plants on the patio. I'm guessing it is coum.
Next I thought I would photograph a hederifolium that is planted in the ground beneath the Pieris. It flowered for the first time this year and came as a seedling of a long leaf form from Charles Cresson's garden. His parent plant came from Montrose Nursery.
In among pots of new seedlings I found this one which came from a purchased Cyclamen that was old and never put up much foliage.
The original bulb produced foliage similar to Tim's Corfu hederifolium, but the seedling is quite different. The pots were just watered.
I've enjoyed viewing all the foliage and flowers shown on this forum! It's almost as variable as fingerprints!
Carol23
- Southeastern PA,
Zone "6B"
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Terryk
My Weather
My Garden
My Time
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 11:29 am EST : |
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Such nice surprises Carol! Your foliage is great also and I agree that they are as variable as fingerprints. It is what makes them so wonderful.
Terryk
- NY,
Zone "6"
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Tim
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 02:17 pm EST : |
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The plant in the first photo looks like mirabile to me, Carol. Interesting, as it is clearly at least a year old, so it seems that C. mirabile is perhaps hardy for you? Obviously you need more time with it, and probably a few more plants outside, but it looks promising.
I like the second photo very much - I can imagine walking around your garden and having to look for it (and being pleased about it when I see it), rather than it staring me in the face. Always nicer to have to 'look' for plants rather than just 'seeing' them.
Tim
- Cambridgeshire,
Zone "7 "
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Carol23
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 03:41 pm EST : |
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Thank you, Terry and Tim, for the support! I look at my Cyclamen the way some women look inside their jewelry boxes!
All of my Cyclamen treasures are diamonds and rubies, sapphires, LOL!
Mirabile, Tim? Incredible since I've never had one flower. This must mean a chipmunk moved a tuber out of a pot and planted it in the garden! They do move things around in my garden as once I had a pot of C. coum with botrytis and moved it beneath the Japanese maple where the chipmunks removed all the tubers and planted them around the garden. To this day , several of them remain.
John Lonsdale has many Cyclamen species hardy in the garden for years. ( pseudibericum, itaminatum, among others) The list was really long. However, he has a huge hill next to his house, a southern slope that protects the entire place in my estimation. The slope has thousands of Cyclamen growing there and naturalizing. For a few years a graceum seedling survived some winters but has now died.
Now that I know mirabile has survived in the dry spot beneath the eave, I'll try other species. There are limited suitable sites here for Cyclamen since the property is exposed, almost at the highest point in the county so I have to find sheltered spots. Openly planted Cyclamen are terribly battered in winter due to the extreme temperatures, wind, etc. If there is no snow cover, the foliage becomes ruined. I've just planted out a small grouping of hederifolium beneath the atlas cedar, next to Helleborus nigercors. I'll see how they fare.
Carol23
- Southeastern PA,
Zone "6B"
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Terryk
My Weather
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| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 03:51 pm EST : |
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Carol23 wrote on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 01:41 pm:I look at my Cyclamen the way some women look inside their jewelry boxes!
All of my Cyclamen treasures are diamonds and rubies, sapphires,
Doesn't everyone???
That is interesting information about those species growing for John in the open garden. Next year I will have to put my coum out in a site which faces south and has a stone wall and some wild roses to serve as protection. At some point I will also put some hellebores there too. Even though I am zone 6 officially, I think some winters my area is more like a 5.
Terryk
- NY,
Zone "6"
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Carol23
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 06:14 pm EST : |
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Ok, I've just heard back from John. Here is the list of Cyclamen that have been hardy for him.
coum
hederifolium
purpurascens
intaminatum
pseudibericum
repandum
cilicium
colchicum
elegans
alpinum
John had not tried mirabile but expects it will be hardy.
He has just the " posh " types growing in his greenhouses.
Carol23
- Southeastern PA,
Zone "6B"
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Shirley1md
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 07:23 pm EST : |
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What a wonderful garden surprise peeking through the Autumn leaves! I love the markings on your Cyclamen. It will be exciting to see them in bloom!
Shirley Maryland Zone 7a |
Tim
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 01:12 pm EST : |
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Mirabile was my gut feeling, Carol. The edge of the leaf looks scalloped, and the pattern doesn't look quite right for coum. How about emailing it to John? I'd be interested to hear a second opinion. Have you found an empty pot which should have had a mirabile tuber in it?! The mystery deepens!
I'm going to stick with mirabile, although I would like to know what others think. It's good to hear that so many species are hardy for you, Carol. A good excuse to grow more cyclamen then...
Tim
- Cambridgeshire,
Zone "7 "
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Galanthophile
My Favorite Photo
My Garden
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 02:25 pm EST : |
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Looking good Carol - well done! This is one of my mirabile leaves.
Galanthophile
- Ann (Northern England),
Zone "8"
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Terryk
My Weather
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 06:57 pm EST : |
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Nice leaf pattern on that one too Ann.
Terryk
- NY,
Zone "6"
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Carol23
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 08:11 pm EST : |
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Ann, your leaf form is quite nice. This is a pot that was labeled mirabile, so hopefully it is!
And, I'm looking into my jewelry box this evening, and see a diamond among the other gems in this pot of coum seedlings!
Carol23
- Southeastern PA,
Zone "6B"
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Terryk
My Weather
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 08:48 pm EST : |
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I love your jewelry!
The mirabile plant is very nice Carol. Did you grow that from seed, and how old is it?
My coum seed has just started to germinate here from seed sown this year and my coum from previous year are all starting to leaf out. Are these seeds from last year? Do you follow the rule of keeping them in the pot for at least a yea? I have followed Tim's instruction (for the most part) and put them up in individual pots. This year after just a year I have had a few flowers, one being a coum that is sending up flower buds now.
Sorry so many questions.
Terryk
- NY,
Zone "6"
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Carol23
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 09:30 pm EST : |
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Yes, these are all from seed.
I must confess to leaving the tubers in the pot until I get round to repotting! I had so many pots of overcrowded seedlings that I've just given all their own space. These coum should have separate pots next year. You've had much speedier results by separating the seedlings, Terry.
The coum shown here were sown in Oct. 2004. The one labeled mirabile was sown in fall of 1999!
Carol23
- Southeastern PA,
Zone "6B"
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Terryk
My Weather
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 05:18 am EST : |
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After scrolling down again, I just saw your label showing the coum were sowed last year. They do seem to be doing ok despite not being in separate pots. Last year I left a group of my coum in the same pot for two reasons. The first being I ran out of space the second being they seemed so much more fragile than those chunky graecum and hederifolium tubers. I am now in the process of potting them up seperately-the pot was bulging. I am finding that the roots have meshed a bit, so I am sure they are going to have a bit of a set back. Another reason to pot them up separately from the get go I suppose.
The mirabile looks more cream and green, very nice. Any flowers set since it germinated?
Terryk
- NY,
Zone "6"
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Carol23
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 06:26 am EST : |
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Terry, to the best of my knowledge, it has never flowered.
Carol23
- Southeastern PA,
Zone "6B"
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