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Author Message   Wallis104  My Weather My Time Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 03:10 am EST :    Quick background.... we're in Maryland and lost our home to Hurricane Isabel in September, 2003..... We tore down what was left of the existing house and rebuilt....... Last spring/summer was our first back in the new house - and we really did more work inside than out........ I'd like to focus on getting a start on the outside this year....... I did have a layout done by a landscape artist........ However - I don't see any clematis...... I don't know how that could have happened 'cause I've spent years suffering from "clematis envy"......... Can't imagine I didn't mention that to her. These photos are of the street-side of our house....... I'd like to get suggestions on where to plant clematis and will also tell you what the landscape designer put on the layout......... This is the side of our garage w/attached carport........ It faces east......... Does get some sun into the afternoon....... Right now till about 1:30PM......... Will increase as spring/summer arrive...... Starting at the right of the photo and moving toward the house...... the designer has an Alberta Spruce (on front corner)..... then 4 Skypencil Holly......... then in the middle of the side of carport - "Knockout" Rose and climbing rose..... followed by more Skypencil Holly........ I don't know that we're going to have the money to put into the landscape design - will most likely have to "pick and choose"........ I thought this would be a good spot for Clematis........ how many would you think? Where should I place? Should I combine with Roses? Please let me know if I'm "overstepping bounds" by asking "too much"............. My most sincere thanks in advance.............. ~~ janice ~~ Wallis104 - Maryland, Zone "7a"   Wallis104  My Weather My Time Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 03:12 am EST :    This side of the garage faces the south........ The two existing bushes will stay...... and my husband is going to build something "attractive" to hide the ugly oil "thingy"....... I don't know if there would be a sufficient amount of sunshine here or not...... It does spend a significant amount of time blocked from sunshine by the house....... Wallis104 - Maryland, Zone "7a"   Wallis104  My Weather My Time Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 03:22 am EST :    We are going to put vinyl lattice below the porch and steps to block those areas from view......... This area faces north - not much sun....... I'd love some type of vines to grow on the lattice..... (Landscape design calls for "Skip Laurel" bushes up against the lattice).... Again - thanks so much for any suggestions....... I can't tell you how much they will be appreciated......... ~~ janice ~~ LOL - neighbor doesn't always have a car parked in his yard.......... just my luck when I wanted to take a photo....... Guess I should mention that any new building on the water has to meet a certain "height above tide" FEMA specifications..... that is why house is built so high...... Wallis104 - Maryland, Zone "7a"   Gardenbug  Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 11:38 am EST :    You certainly have had a difficult few years! You have come a long way. I think it is great to have a plan from a landscaper, but that does not mean you must follow every detail. Also, taking it a bit at a time is a wise move. There are a great many varieties of clematis and some prefer part shade so that the color of their blooms does not fade. Personally, I would use the viticella types, which are called group 3 or "B" type clematis. This means they are radically pruned back early each spring. There are so many varieties and so many colors that I think you should ponder a color scheme for your garden. Would you want all white? Pinks to go with your brick work? Purples? Blues? I like to grow several of the same clematis rather than one of many types. But they are fun to mix as well. Roses are fabulous with clematis. You need to remember that roses need a great deal of sun in most cases. Also, thorns near to walkways is not a great idea. There is lots for you to ponder and I'm sure others will have super ideas for you. The fact that you have the "bones" in place is a great way to start. Remember too that clematis take a while to get established, so starting now is a good plan. (First year sleep, second year creep, third year leap!) And here is one idea loved by many: Clematis florida var sieboldiana. I can imagine it with a lovely purple coloured rose. (Perhaps 'Cardinal de Richelieu' would be an idea here.) This is a combination which will not work in my zone, but would in yours! Also, drive around and see what clematis and roses do well in your area. Talk to the folks at nearby nurseries- but don't just buy things on a whim. The clematis: http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=17 The rose: http://www.hortico.com/roses/view.asp?action=sbcn&catno=GACDRI10 Gardenbug - Ontario, Zone "4/5"   Shirley1md  Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 10:10 pm EST :    Janice, Make sure that the Roses that you select can tolerate the heat & high humidity during our Summers! Select varieties that are highly disease resistant, especially to black spot! Once you have chosen your Roses, then you can add Clematis. If you don't get through planting your Roses in the Springtime, wait until early Fall to put in your Clematis. Don't stress them out by planting them when it's too hot. Best to wait until temps are cooler. Lots of excellent Clematis & Roses to ponder over! I like to combine Roses & Clematis that have the opposite tones, contrast in dark & light values, and also in bloom size & shape. It's really a very personal decision on your choice of color, fragrance, singles and/or doubles. As Marie stated above, when choosing Vitcellas (Group 3) you can never go wrong because they won't get Clematis Wilt. If you choose Group 2's, you will be able to have them bloom early in the Summer & then they give you a 2nd flush of color later in the season. However, Group 2's need to be sprayed with horticultural oil because they may get Clematis Wilt. Here are a few nurseries to get you started! http://www.davidaustinroses.com/ http://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/ http://www.countrysideroses.com/ http://www.silverstarvinery.com/ http://www.donahuesgreenhouse.com/ http://www.chalkhillclematis.com/menu.html Shirley Maryland Zone 7a   Malgorzata  Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 10:51 pm EST :    Janice (& Family) HELLO! Welcome to the forum. Janice, believe me, everybody aches to give you two cents worth of advice ;) Your newly rebuilt house calls for climbing rose (fragrant would be a bonus) and Clematis, Clematis and more Clematis! So perfect setting for climbing plants! I very much agree with Marie. First decide the color scheme, then (at least at first) try to stick to it ;) In your climate I would go with the viticellas first. They are strong, healthy, fast growers and beautiful! Viticellas bloom for me at least twice, but often three times a year.Colors are really very personal choice. I like to put white on white, purple on purple and then add a splash of color here or there. If I may suggest, why not contacting Debbie (Honeyb) and asking her for a few plants just for you? I would trust her judgement. Also Jeanne's posts (or try looking up Jeannes'Garden Journal) are example of a vision, determination and hard work. Very inspiring! Good luck and keep as posted!Do not hesitate to ask questions! Malgorzata - Fukuoka-Kyushu, Zone "8-9"   Susanq  My Favorite Photo My Garden Journal My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:10 am EST :    Welcome to Gardenbuddies, Janice. I just wanted add: SusanQ - Zone 4b-5b Wisconsin   Malgorzata  Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 02:09 am EST :    C."Prince Charles" Malgorzata - Fukuoka-Kyushu, Zone "8-9"   Roelie  My Garden Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 05:40 am EST :    Hallo Happy birthday and Welcome Did you asked the designer why she did not design Clematis in it. So ask them to do so for the same price you paid already. For each of us it is difficult to say a names and color because we do not know what comes on the ground. If you put a wrong Clematis against the wall it can be that it make the total border nasty, or the border makes the Clematis nasty. Once I changed two times a container with plants because the nice color of the Clematis fell away. The best thing you can do if the designer does nothing is to color the design , scan it and shows it so that we can better help you. You can already look on all the pages of Clematis and I put one where nice pictures are on it http://www.clematisdebbie.com also on my side www.clematistuin.nl are a lot of pictures. . We all wait for you if we can help you after scanning the colors of the border. Roelie - Overijssel, Zone "Holland"   Gardenbug  Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 02:03 pm EST :    I made an error above: Viticellas are sometimes called Group C pruning group. What was I thinking?! This is a good time to read up on clematis and their care. Try this site for starters: http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/clematis/ Gardenbug - Ontario, Zone "4/5"   Gregorson  My Favorite Photo My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 02:51 pm EST :    Tomas, Sweden zone 5, USDA 3/4   Shirley1md  Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 12:54 am EST :    Best wishes on your Birthday! Shirley Maryland Zone 7a   Seattlesuze  My Weather My Time Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 04:45 am EST :    Welcome and Happy Birthday Janice! For roses in MD, you might enjoy a visit to Heritage Rosarium, 211 Haviland Mill Road. Brookville, MD 20833. They'll be very helpful for rose selections in your area. I can also highly recommend the clematis nurseries mentioned above. Another thing that I love to do is skim through the alphabet on www.clematis.hull.ac.uk. Good luck with your new home and garden - you must feel so blessed to be settled again! Seattlesuze - WA, Zone "8a"   Wallis104  My Weather My Time Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 05:01 pm EST :    Hello ALL !!! I am absolutely overwhelmed by the beautiful birthday wishes and the kindness of everyone here.... I am so glad I followed Jeanne's path over here.... I feel like a sponge - soaking up all the experience and information offered... Gardenbuddies is most certainly a blessing.... Seattlesuze - LOL - I've been in Maryland all of my life and haven't been to Brookville... I'm going to have to investigate and take a drive over there.... Again - thank you ALL for the warm greetings and the most helpful suggestions and information..... I'm Thrilled to be here !!! Wallis104 - Maryland, Zone "7a"   Shirley1md  Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:59 pm EST :    If you're going to check out Heritage Rosarium, please let me know! I've never heard of it either & have lived my life in MD!! Sounds like a good road trip in the near future!!! Have you actually ordered from them, Suze? Shirley Maryland Zone 7a   Wallis104  My Weather My Time Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 05:02 am EST :    Shirley - looks like Heritage Rosarium is about an hour from me.... sorta near Olney - not far from you at all. I'm going to call them to find out when they're open.... I don't work, so I'm free to go any time. If you'd like, we could meet there - or I could pick you up..... (I guess that sounds funny coming from someone you don't know on the internet) I'll let you know what I find out when I talk to them.... ~~ janice ~~ Wallis104 - Maryland, Zone "7a"   Seattlesuze  My Weather My Time Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 05:32 am EST :    Well, I hate to admit that in 12 years of living just 7 miles down the road from the Rosarium, I stopped by there only one time. Brookville is straight up New Hampshire Ave from Silver Spring. The Rosarium has a great collection, beautiful grounds, very personalized service, an excellent reputation and some terrific roses. I'm only sad that I can't mail order from them. Tell me what you choose when you go, please! Seattlesuze - WA, Zone "8a"   Mike_in_chicago  My Garden Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:15 pm EST :    A few extra ideas: one, many clematises and roses are available cheaply from big boxes (Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, Menards), hardware stores (Ace) and Trader Joes if you have them. If you stick to easy-growing ones (like the Knockout roses you mentioned and the type 3/c clematises recommended), you can save a lot of money if you're willing to choose well and be patient. Check over at the rose forum, but for easy and fragrant climbers, you can't go wrong with the older, less-hybridized varieties. Some to look into include the amazing New Dawn, Sally Holmes. Knockout roses come in a few different types now, red, pink and doubles. They can take a little shade if you're willing to deal with a little less growth, but they'll still bloom like mad. Mike_in_chicago - Chicago, IL, Zone "5b"   Gardenbug  Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:10 am EST :    I love the rose Sally Holmes!!! Gardenbug - Ontario, Zone "4/5"

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