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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 01:34 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hello Berthold,
Well, there are always exceptions to the rule and I have seen plants of C. hederifolium with large leaves like the plant in your photo. I think that generally though, when comparing the two species as a whole with each other, africanum is a larger plant than hederifolium.

I wish I did have better information, Berthold. I think the lack of authentic wild collected material of africanum is a major problem.

I agree with your observations regarding rooting. I potted on some africanum during the late summer and my largest plant (you can see photos of it in other threads), which is also the oldest africanum in my collection, did have roots all over the tuber.

Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "
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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 02:53 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I've always relied on the seed being properly labeled. These were all in a batch sent as africanum but likely they are all hederifolium, which is better since I can plant them out instead of leaving them crowded in the pots which are splitting!







These are my largest leaf hederifolium

4 inch long leaf.... fairly broad as well






Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"
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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 05:22 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Carol,
be careful with outdoor planting in your cold area. The shown plants could really be africanum and your climate will kill them all.
An english specialist said: The difference between africanum and hederifolium is hederifolium is hardy africanum not.
Berthold

Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 04:12 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Carol,
or do you always have a thick snow layer when temperature goes down?

Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 06:45 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Berthold, I'll try just a few planted out.
My space in the porch is limited, so I select only a small representation of the non-hardy species.

At the same time I received the " africanum " seeds, I also received mislabeled seeds of other species from the same source.

We do not have reliable snow cover, unfortunately. Last year we had enough snow to keep the foliage in great shape.

I'll post back with the results of the experiment.

Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 10:42 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Carol23 wrote on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 07:57 am:

My space in the porch is limited, so I select only a small representation of the non-hardy species.


Carol,
which species are you growing outdoors and which in the house?
Berthold

Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 12:17 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Berthold, I have planted out coum and hederifolium. A chipmunk apparently dug a small tuber from a pot of mirabile on the patio , then planted it near the foundation of the house where it has lived for two years.

My plan is to include as many other hardy species in the garden when I've figured out suitable locations. I've been planting broad leafed evergreens to create a buffer.

I grow purpurascens, alpinum, pseudibericum, libanoticum, creticum, colchicum, rohlfsianum, graecum, mirabile, repandum, cilicium, cyprium in the enclosed porch. I have lots of coum and hederifolium still in pots there, too.

I was curious about your graecum since one of our members, Joseph, from Tennessee has recently planted that species in his garden.

Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 04:31 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Here's the lone mirabile. Tim identified it last year when I thought it was coum! Although there was one flower, it was chewed off so no seed set


There's a green Opuntia pad growing near it.







Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 05:07 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Carol, your plant shows the typical leave shape of my mirabile.
It is often described that mirabile leaves have a strongly toothed margin but the plants I got from south-western Turkey don't have it. I will show later when sun is shining again.
Berthold

Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"
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Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 06:02 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hello to the leave community,

hear the mirabile Tile Barn Nicholas with the wave shape margin:



a wild form without (nearly flat leaves):



in addition a wild trochopteranthum from nearby area:


second addition libanoticum:


2 cyprium, left wild:


graecum wild:


and very similar in leaves with the same velvet persicum wild:


and the last one parviflorum leaves flat on the ground scared of the storm:


Berthold

Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"
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Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 06:50 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Berthold, great pictures, thanks for posting them!

Having been sent mislabeled seed lots during my first venture of growing Cyclamen, it has taken me longer to sort out the species.

Libanoticum reminds me of army green! It's the only Cyclamen I've grown with that color. This species doesn't seem to have a lot of variation, does it?

Your mirabile are interesting in the leaf margin variation. I'll have to check all my seedlings to see if any have smooth edges. ( probably not)

This will be my first year to flower trochopteranthum ( alpinum?)

Do you have a favorite species, Berthold? Or a favorite plant?

Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"
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Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 06:55 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Wonderful photos, and of the unusual ones too. Thanks for posting them Berthold.

Terryk - NY, Zone "6"
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Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 01:20 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hallo / hello Berthold,

herzlich willkommen hier auf diesem großartigen Forum / welcome here in this great forum!
I´m especially pleased to read that you visit cyclamen in the wild and can add your observations to our discussions. Your selection of leaf plants in this thread is impressive. I especially like your wild cyprium; it has a fantastic pattern. Have you tried it in the open garden? Depending on where you live in NRW you should have a relatively mild climate?

Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"
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Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 05:17 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I don't grow parviflorum, Berthold, but the foliage sure reminds me of coum!

The cyprium leaves are quite attractive, the silver splashed one being my favorite!
Lucky you to have traveled and observed the species in their native habitat!

Here's my military green libanoticum

Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"
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Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 05:56 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Berthold, I must say that I am drawn to those leaves you show which look as though white paint were splashed on them randomly, in particular, to the wild form cyprium and the trochopteranthum leaves. These are introducing me to an entirely different look in cyclamen. I am barely starting an interest in this genus and these add more spice to the mixture.

Geoforce - Pennsylvania, Zone "USDA 7a"
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Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 06:44 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Assistance for Carols seedling check. A typical mirabile leave margin (I guess):

Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"
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Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 08:05 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

and a cilicicum complete hardy here and very robust:

Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"
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Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 09:50 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Berthold, I have enough cilicium to try planting out and they will be hardy here. It's a nice plant.

Your mirabile certainly has a pie crust edge to the leaf! It's much more obvious than the mirabile I've grown. Great picture!

Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"
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Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 10:07 am EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

C. cilicium is hardy for me also. It gets hit hard by the mice (even though we have two great mousers), but it comes back every year.

C. mirabile is very good outside too for me. It's in an open position and has been doing well in that spot for three years now. I still have a tough time convincing prospective buyers of mirabile that it will do well outside.

Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "
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Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 03:51 pm EST :   Last Buddysize PhotosCopy highlighted text to new message Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Carol, I noticed your Opuntia. This is slightly off topic, but if C. graecum will grow well here, I will put some seedlings and scatter seed in this area. I am moving some of the perennials to open it up and connecting it to a new rock garden area. The area is quite hot and sunny and can be very dry, but it does/can be as shady as necessary in spots from the herb layer itself.



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