C. hederifolium seedlings

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Author Message   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 11:05 am EST :    Here has been a lot of talk about Cyclamen hederifolium here recently, so I thought I might take some photos of seedlings in my garden and post them here. All plants are from a few wild collected seeds from a small part of exceptional plants within a very large colony in Italy. The habitat is not unlike the one Tony has described and depicted from Greece in another thread in this forum. All seedlings are still in pots but will be planted out in the open garden next spring. This is part one: Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 11:07 am EST :    Here comes the second bunch: Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 11:09 am EST :    This is number four: Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 11:11 am EST :    And this is an older plant, raised from seed collected in 2000. Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Berthold  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 11:24 am EST :    Matthias, I wasn't a friend of leave pattern in the past but in between it was easy to upgrade my mind seeing your fotos and others. Berthold Berthold - NRW, Germany, Zone "8a"   Carol23  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 11:51 am EST :    WOW!!!! Matthias, that first batch is making me drool! All of the leaves in each set are splendid, but I've not seen any like the first batch, especially the second photo!! Congratulations! Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"   Geoforce  My Weather Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 11:59 am EST :    Matthias, Those are the most interesting hederifolium shots I have ever seen. Certainly atypical to the usual garden varieties. All of the photos in group 1 and group 3 (you called it 4) simply astound me. The silver centers and the bicolor green islands on the edges in group 3 have a clarity and grace which I really love. Geoforce - Pennsylvania, Zone "USDA 7a"   Jgwoodard  My Garden Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:00 pm EST :    Very nice variety Matthias. Jgwoodard - TN, Zone "7"   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:08 pm EST :    Carol, here´s another one for you. Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Tim  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:14 pm EST :    The plants in the first and third photos in your third post are exceptional, Matthias. Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "   Guff  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:29 pm EST :    Matthias, wow, you have some really nice leaves! Guff - NY, Zone "?"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:39 pm EST :    To borrow Tim's expression-I feel like I might actually "produce kittens"! They are very unusual leaf markings, especially on the first group. You find some outstanding specimens in Italy Matthias (last year your wonderful hellebores and now these). I have always been fascinated with the leaf patterns of cyclamen and these prove why the plants are so addictive. Who could not want to have them in their garden or glasshouse? Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Carol23  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:56 pm EST :    Ok, I've revisited all the pictures and found those " feathered" edges in the batch labeled number 4 are drawing me in for a closer look! Matthias, thanks for the close up! Now I'm salivating even more ! Berthold, I'm pleased Mattias' photos have convinced you! Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"   Tim  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 02:20 pm EST :    I too have had a closer look at these leaves and the first plant in group 4 is my outright favourite. How will you plant these tubers out, Matthias? Covered or exposed? Tim - Cambridgeshire, Zone "7 "   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 02:46 pm EST :    Here are two different closeups of a detail of the first photo in my third (number 4) batch. They demonstrate two interesting things: First: The silver impression is caused by air-filled bubbles between the leaf skin/epidermis and the tissue below, which as we can see where the epidermis has been destroyed by the insect, is solid green. Second: The veins seem to be pink which is caused by tiny hairs on the epidermis along the veins. This effect is carried to its extreme in rare forms of hederifolium and often in C. mirabile. It can best be seen over a silver surface but is also present over the green parts of the leaves. It is the same pigment (anthocyanin) as along the leaf margins and frequently on the back of the leaf. Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Matthias  Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 02:53 pm EST :    Yes, George, I also love the patterns in group 3. They are all seedlings from one parent plant. Tim if I wanted to plant them for show purposes I would make sure to keep the tuber surface exposed. Then all flowers and leaves rise vertically and make a great effect. But in my garden I regularly give the beds a top dressing of weed-free compost and so the tubers will be buried below the surface, which will mean that both flower stalks and leaf stems will creep a bit before they arise. Matthias - Southern Germany, Zone "7"   Galanthophile  My Favorite Photo My Garden Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 05:18 pm EST :    O my goodness! The 1st photos in your 1st and 2nd posts are stunning. As are all of the plants in your 3rd post. These are all exceptional, you must be very happy with them. Galanthophile - Ann (Northern England), Zone "8"   Carol23  Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 05:34 pm EST :    Are you going to plant them together, Matthias? There is such a wealth of leaf shapes, patterns, that they almost look like paintings. When you located these in the wild, you must have felt that you'd hit the jackpot! Interesting about the veneer of silver and the bubbles. It would never have occurred to me. Carol23 - Southeastern PA, Zone "6B"   Terryk  My Weather My Garden My Time Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:23 pm EST :    I just had to look again, and now that I notice that one picture of the plant from seed collected in 2000, it really impresses me. It seems as if it must be huge to have that many leaves. Can you post a picture of the plant that shows the full plant? Terryk - NY, Zone "6"   Tony_willis  Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 10:27 am EST :    What wonderful leaves Matthias, I have never seen any like those in the wild.I have only ever hederifolium in Greece and Turkey and the leves have not been exciting.Jim Archibald has sold different forms in the past and i have some of those.I will post some pictures if it ever stops raining Tony_willis - Lancashire, Zone "7"

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