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Jgwoodard
My Garden
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 12:08 pm EST : |   
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Saw this on another forum:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=80.0
Jgwoodard
- TN,
Zone "7"
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Tim
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 12:26 pm EST : |
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I saw these photos this morning on Cyclamen-L, Joseph. The red flower is an interesting colour. It's a shame that he didn't take a photo of the flower whilst it was still attached to the plant.
Tim
- Cambridgeshire,
Zone "7 "
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Galanthophile
My Favorite Photo
My Garden
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 12:47 pm EST : |
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Wow that really is red!
Galanthophile
- Ann (Northern England),
Zone "8"
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Geoforce
My Weather
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 01:06 pm EST : |
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Amazing if true. That would imply an entirely different anthocyanine content, or an overlay of massive amounts of carrotine compounds. Hard to imagine either of them, although I have a couple of florist type persicums approaching that in color
Geoforce
- Pennsylvania,
Zone "USDA 7a"
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Tim
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 01:46 pm EST : |
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George, that bright red flower colour is present in wild species persicum, which is where the florist's type get it from.
The red colour seen on the hederifolium flower in that photo is more unusual though as it isn't generally one of the colours seen in hederifolium.
I wonder if it's just a temporary aberration?
Tim
- Cambridgeshire,
Zone "7 "
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Carol23
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 03:32 pm EST : |
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I wonder if it is realistic. Are there any petioles that color up like that on any Cyclamen?
Could a flower in dyed water color up like that?
Carol23
- Southeastern PA,
Zone "6B"
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Berthold
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 04:09 pm EST : |
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I would prefer to see the whole plant.
Berthold
- NRW, Germany,
Zone "8a"
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Tony_willis
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 04:41 pm EST : |
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To use a quote of Tim's 'he is a friend of mine' and he assures me the colour is correct.He is a very experienced travellor and has seen lots of cyclamen in the wild
Tony_willis
- Lancashire,
Zone "7"
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Berthold
| | Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 05:08 pm EST : |
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Tony in that case I will have a look out for Cyclamen hederifolium var. coccineum in future
Berthold
- NRW, Germany,
Zone "8a"
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Tim
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 01:30 am EST : |
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That's good news, Tony. It would be great to have material from that plant in cultivation...
Tim
- Cambridgeshire,
Zone "7 "
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Matthias
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 06:20 am EST : |
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If, what my eyes see on the monitor is the true colour of the flower, and if the colour is controlled by genes and not by some temporary external factors the plant is an interesting find and will certainly be a valuable addition to existing gene pools. I´ve seen very dark red hederifoliun flowers in the wild but in all cases the colour was just a very deep magenta/pink which is caused by certain anthocyanins. The depth of colour depends on the concentration of the pigment in the cells.
I agree with George that here it seems that carrotines might be involved, hence the tendency towards dark tomato red. Carrotines are more often found in the lower levels of the flower tissue, while the anthocyanins are accumulated in the cells of the epidermis (skin).
Thanks, Joseph for posting this link. Any chance of winning a new member for this forum, Tony :-) ???
Matthias
- Southern Germany,
Zone "7"
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Tony_willis
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 12:44 pm EST : |
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I sent Hans the link but I think perhaps not because his main interests are cacti and tender bulbs. I am struggling with the flower colour at the moment which is quite unlike anything I have ever seen
Tony_willis
- Lancashire,
Zone "7"
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