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Janet43945
My Weather
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 02:36 pm EST : |   |
These are my clematis from Completely Clematis,I think they have a very good root system,they are the medium plants.I have bought from C.C. and the clematis really took off with good growth in the spring. Can not wait to see my free one bloom.Postage was only $8.00.
JANET OHIO zone 5 |
Gimmeclems
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 05:07 pm EST : | |
They look similar to my order from Completely Clematis in the spring. I was happy. It was the gardener (me) that must have broken one of the main stems on the Huldine that I ordered. One leaf held on all summer but nothing ever happened. I held out hope because like Janet, the root system seemed to me to be able to support life through the growing season. I can only wait until next spring to see if anything comes of it. Glad you got nice ones, Janet. What were the varieties?and what do you mean by "my free one"?
Nancy Michigan Zone 5 |
Sunnyday2day
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My Weather
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 03:20 am EST : | |
Janet,
Yes, we want to know varieties! 
It's heartening to see the good root systems like the ones you've received. Do you rinse the chips away before planting? I have done this, replacing the medium with rich organic amended soil. Sometimes it's hard to get off so they benefit from a soaking time before trying to spray it off. A nurseryman told me to take as much off as I could. I don't know what it is but nearly all the fall plants I've bought have this type of potting medium. Anyone know what it is?
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Tanya Michigan Zone 5b |
Scilla
My Weather
My Garden
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 06:12 am EST : | |
Yeeks, I'd not rinse any of the potting medium off before planting, as my own clems don't like their roots disturbed -- unless they are so terribly impacted as to inhibit their future growth.
I received an integrifolia alba from Heronswood this fall that was so huge and impacted in the pot that I did have to actually saw it in half with a saw -- and both are doing quite nicely.
Other than impaction, I do NOT disturb the roots.
Often a mail order supplier grows their clems in a small vehicle, then prior to shipping puts the clem in a larger pot with the new potting medium then rather loose around the rootball when it is unpacked by the gardener. I'm such a chicken to mess with the roots that I still try to keep that loose medium still intact. Awe and respect for the new baby, I guess.
Priscilla Diane Washington State Zone 5 |
Gardenbug
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| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:04 am EST : | |
The soiless mix that our local nursery uses is hopeless. The plants grow in it initially, but when the dead plant is dug up the next year, it is easy to see that it was not able to escape beyond the tight square or circle of its original container. I have far greater success soaking the roots and getting rid of the nutrient-poor medium. Yes of course...careful not to disturb those roots!
gardenbug Ontario, Canada 5b, USDA 4 |
Sunnyday2day
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My Weather
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:21 am EST : | |
Scilla,
When I think of how I handle the clems upon getting ready to plant them...delicate doesn't come to mind. It isn't that I damage them in any way, but neither do I handle all that gently. I have no problem with the ones bought in growing season,(in real dirt or dirt/peat mix?) in straightening those coiled roots up and maybe prune them up sllightly if necessary. The medium is a good moisture holder apparently, while the plants are forming nice roots. I'll ask next time I see him. I guess if you used a saw, tenderness doesn't always work for you either...tee hee. Bill or Ton, if you're reading this, do you agree about removing this medium, which is falling off anyway(most times for me, that is)?
Tanya
Tanya Michigan Zone 5b |
Janet43945
My Weather
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:23 am EST : | |
Varieties I ordered are "Viticella Emilia Plater" and Inspiration". I got a free one because they had problems with something and my order fell thru the cracks and was not sent. So I e-mailed them and they got right back to me and sent the order out asap and gave me a free one of my choice for my long wait. The free one I picked was a new one,"Hakurei",integrifolia,white bell shaped blooms,lightly scented,tinted mauve at the center,2 to 3 ft.Can not wait to see this one bloom.Am very happy with the service and plants from C.C.Love the potato ,always learning things on G.B.
JANET OHIO zone 5 |
Scilla
My Weather
My Garden
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:23 am EST : | |
Now that I have said I don't disturb the roots, I have to laugh at myself, as once I do get my little treasures safely in their new pot with the grass clippings on top, I turn on my pressure hose and solidly water down the new dirt and clippings thoroughly through all the root system, only being careful not to damage the new shoots and stems with the pressure. Maybe that is how the roots realize they have new pathways to grow instead of around and around the old pot.
As for the potting medium, the plants are more used to that than my own soil, so as to not be too traumatic a shift in lifestyle, I do keep it in the pot with my new dirt, but it undoubtedly mixes well with the pressure hosing, as well as settling roots and dirt securely in the pot.
And yes, Tanya, that saw was really necessary. I was very kind to them afterwards, though (smile).
Priscilla Diane Washington State Zone 5 |
Janet43945
My Weather
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:33 am EST : | |
No,I did not rinse the roots. I just untangle them ,loosen them up a bit so they are not going in a circle and shake so some of it does fall off. Hope I am doing right.I got some bareroot clematis from Van Bourgondien the other day and they had nice long roots and they were tied in a very loose knot for shipping.Had to loosen the knot to plant,so figure they are not that fragile.I always loosen the roots and spread them out a little before I plant if they are growing around the root ball.
JANET OHIO zone 5 |
Diveanddig
My Garden
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 11:45 am EST : | |
Hmm, When I pot up my clematis to larger pots, I always loosen the root mass at the bottom of the pot so they can get into the new planting medium. Many times it requires lots of teasing of the roots. This is also done when the plants are planted out in the soil.
Bill Bird - Westchester Co., NY - Zone 6 |
Ton_hannink
My Garden
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 11:57 am EST : | |
If you visit a Clematis nursery you will srr that they are not so carefully with the roots. They pot up the plants from the fridge(about zero degrees Celsius). These plants have no soil and they put them in soil and after then they make the soil completely wet. If you have the right soil then you have in a short time large plants with flowers.
Ton_hannink The Netherlands |
Scilla
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 02:21 pm EST : | |
I get this type of plant a lot and it appears that yes, they have been kept in a fridge. Got some from Spring Valley in July and would swear they had still been in the fridge until they shipped them to me.
Almost instantly they sent out great stems, then even flowered by the late August and early September. I was amazed at their growth, but just as you said, Ton, in a short time, large plants with flowers.
And as you did, Janet, those from Van Bourgondien have tied in a knot roots and first time I was scared to mess with them, but they, too, took off like wildfire after I did as you did.
Now I want to know how I can take my own clematis from a pot, overwinter them in a refrigerator, then plant repot them in the Spring or give them away -- that way I don't have to make room for more pots to overwinter.
Anybody know how to overwinter clematis bare root?
Scilla
- Washington State,
Zone "5"
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Ton_hannink
My Garden
| | Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 12:06 am EST : | |
That is not so easy. Some plants needs -2 and other not below 0(Celsius). You must have experience with the different clematis.
Remove all the leaves and prune the plant until 10 cm. Rinse the roots until there is no soil between the roots.
Ton_hannink The Netherlands |
Rogervanloon
| | Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 01:46 pm EST : | |
Ton, I did not know that they put Clematis in the fridge, and even at subzero temperatures (°C). I would have thought that winter temperatures in Holland are OK for most Clematis, and that, if anything, some would need protection from the cold. I, myself, (for example) have put seedlings of C. texensis indoors in winter, at 20 °C with artificial light, to give them a headstart. It did seem to work OK. What, exactly, is the advantage of the fridge?
Rogervanloon
- Flanders,
Zone "7b"
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Scilla
| | Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 04:53 pm EST : | |
Ton, thank you for that info on overwintering bare root. I believe I'll try that next winter on some that I have plenty of. It just seems so much more sensible and it sure will save me a lot of "nursery bed space."
Great advice!
Scilla
- Washington State,
Zone "5"
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Ton_hannink
My Garden
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 12:34 am EST : | |
If you put the rooted plants without soil in the fridge(0-2 degrees), you can store a lot of clematis is a small room. Sometimes they must store at least 300000 clematis during Winter!
If you see in Spring how fast there are roots on the plants, it is unbelievable.
Ton_hannink The Netherlands |
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