Atragene seeds starts to germinate

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Author Message   Ton_hannink  My Garden Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 11:19 am EST :    Today I inspected my seeds in the garage and some boxes already have young plants. Most of them were of the atragene group. Atragene group: koreana, koreana lutea, koreana fragrans, fauriei, fusijamana. Viorna and versicolor. Marmoraria. Ton_hannink The Netherlands   Gardenbug  Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 12:17 pm EST :    Looking good. What is the temperature in your garage? In mine it is about -2C today. Your space seems to have more light than mine. What will you do with these young plants at this stage? What temperature will you keep them at? My seeds just went outside to the garage today! I have 10 varieties planted so far. My seedlings are indoors (under lights) at about 16C. Gardenbug Ontario zone 4b/5b   Ton_hannink  My Garden Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 01:59 am EST :    The temperature is alway above freezing point. At this moment 8-15 degrees Celsius. I have no light in the garage and if I see the young plants I directly place them in an other room(5 - 15 degrees Celsius). In Spring I will pot them up. Ton_hannink The Netherlands   Scilla  Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 03:57 am EST :    I wish you folks realized how invaluable your photos are, as well as your conversation. I can see such a fun future because of your knowledge and then your sharing that knowledge. Thank you, GardenBug, Brian, and Ton. Buying a clematis is just not all that exciting -- but raising them from seed tickles me everywhere. Scilla - Washington State, Zone "5"   Gardenbug  Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 04:16 am EST :    I was told by a friend that the atragenes and meclatis don't require any cold cycle at all to germinate. In fact they will ALL germinate without cold, but the viornae, the viticellas, LFH seed and other species respond positively to cold and germinate sooner with it. The devil is in the details, as they say. I keep learning something new every day. I hope this will improve my success rate. This will be my second year at this hobby. Gardenbug Ontario zone 4b/5b   Timo  Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 08:08 pm EST :    Ton, did your Atragene seeds never got frost? Magnus Johnson refers in his book old trials made in München, Germany, year 1915. Seed from C. alpina was collected in August before frost. Before end of March, without stratification was germinated 0 % in light and 6 % in darkness. The corresponding figures were 37 % and 34 % when the sowings were given frost. (Some seed germinated also later, so the end results were better). From seed collected in September after frost germinated 56 % in light and 100 % in dark conditions. Seed of some other clematis germinates better in light conditions. Timo   Scilla  Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 02:05 am EST :    Ton, my own experience is that each species has germinated naturally in my garden. I'd like to hear Bill's experience, as he wrote he sows seed from his clematis at the base of the mother plant, then it germinates naturally. As I will get frost and freezing temps in my garden, my naturally germinating seeds sown by the wind must be able to germinate with night and day, as well as frost, and I do have LFH, viticella, atragene, and tangutica species that did germinate from wind or bird sowing in the garden with no help from me. Only the tangutica bloomed their first year of life, though. I'll be treating the seeds I sow much differently than Mother Nature, but Bill Bird must have some great wisdom on this from those he sows at the base of the mother plant. Scilla - Washington State, Zone "5"   Karalyn  My Weather Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 08:21 am EST :    Hmmmm....very interesting Scilla. Thanks also to Ton, Bug, and Brian for their pics and knowledge also. Ton, those seedlings look so fragile. Is it really difficult to transfer them without destroying the seedling? Karalyn Idaho Zone 6   Ton_hannink  My Garden Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 09:21 am EST :    Timo, I collect my seeds and store them in the kitchen and in winter in the garage above freezing point because I also have species which are sensitive to frost. I do this for years. Do not believe what people write in books, try it for yourself. Ton_hannink The Netherlands   Karalyn  My Weather Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 08:15 am EST :    Ton, I don't know if I asked you this yet, but how long did it take for the Atragenes to germinate and then show a flower? Karalyn Idaho Zone 6   Suzymac  My Favorite Photo My Garden Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 08:52 am EST :    That's a nice sight, Ton. I just love to see good germinations. The only bad part is having to pot them all up ! I always get mad at myself when potting time comes around ! I plant too many seeds and can't throw any out, even when I have too many ! I would feel sad to lose even one. UGH ! I'm going to have to have a limit someday, I know. Suzy Suzymac - Massachusetts, Zone "6-7"   Ton_hannink  My Garden Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 10:40 am EST :    I have put most of the seeds of the atragene in februari this year in soil. The best method, if you have a lot of young plants, for potting up as follow: Place the seedlings in water, wash out the soil, place the young plants in pots and make the pot completely wet. I only loose a few plants with this method. Ton_hannink The Netherlands   Karalyn  My Weather Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 08:58 am EST :    Ton, So are you saying that you planted them last February 2003 and as of December you actually planted the seedlings in bigger pots? Rather what month exactly were the seedlings ready to be potted up in larger pots vs. the square seeding boxes? Karalyn Idaho Zone 6   Karalyn  My Weather Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:02 am EST :    Okay, I looked back at your posting, your seedlings were up November 29th and now as of December you have them potted up in individual pots and it took 9 months to germinate. Correct? Karalyn Idaho Zone 6   Ton_hannink  My Garden Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:58 am EST :    No, I pot them up if the young plants have at least 3 leaves. I always do that with seedlings as a rule. The plants are at time time large enough to pot them up. Ton_hannink The Netherlands

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