Pink flushed hederifolium

[strudeldog]

I would question these being Hederifolium as well. I know the leave varies to a great degree, but cyclamen are noted for being mislabled. When you repot it would be intresting to get a good view of the tuber and the roots, that may indicate more. I would think possibly Mirable as some are noted for this type of pink flush. Wonderful plants regardless.

With the greatest respect, Phil (welcome to the forum by the way), mirabile can be taken out of the picture straight away. These plants lack the scalloping around the leaf margin that nearly all mirabile have. The pink colouration is different too. The pink colouration seen on mirabile disappears as the leaf matures due the to hairs that give the pink colour falling out. Of course I'm generalising as there are always odd exceptions. You can see very slight beading on the leaf margin of one of the plants and this never occurs on C. mirabile leaves.

I'd like to add (and this is a general comment to the forum and not aimed at you, Phil) that a number of the posters here are very modest and don't like to blow their own trumpet; great human qualities but the downside is that other forumists don't know just how knowledgable that person is. Several posters in this forum would be considered authorities on cyclamen, and whilst questioning what they write should never not happen as it sparks some very interesting debates, most, if not all of what they write can be taken as gospel.

I get the feeling that I've not worded that very well, so I hope that you all can read between the lines and see what I'm getting at. No offence intended.

Welcome again, Phil, and I hope you carry on posting. Our post count here looks poor compared the the Clematis forum just above us on the index page :-)

[strudeldog]

Sorry if I overstepped some boundary here, I was just trying to express an opinion, be it less knowledgeable than many. I really don't make it to these forums much, but I am aware from viewing some of the posts that there are some very knowledgeable posters here as I recognized at least a few of the names as frequent contributors, (yourself included I believe) to the Society journal and/or cyclamen-L which I subscribe to, although it seems to have minimal activity anymore. I doubt/hope that anyone would put much weight on my comment, or any comment on a open forum without knowing the source, but yes I agree in the brief time I spent looking here some of the posters I would trust as Gospel. I was simply basing an opinion on some Mirable I had grown from society distribution seed that I recalled looked similar, with a toothed margin, and I don’t recall a pronounced scallop, but maybe they did, and the coloring on the leaf was actually more the inverse of this. I guess for that manner I don’t even know the seed was labeled correct, and what I was more trying to state it didn’t appear to be Hedrifolium to me, and not what I thought it was. In the area I am at Cyclamen are relatively unknown and I haven’t observed personally the diversity of the species many of you have. I hope the plant is Hedrifolium as it is one the 3 or 4 species I have had consistent success with and I love the look of these plants, and I guess I was just surprised of just how different they appeared than even other photos I had observed of Hederifolium and how similar they appeared to other species.
So now that that I have been put in place as the self-acknowledged relative novice I do believe seeing the tubers and roots would be interesting in convincing less knowledgeable such as me that is as labeled correct, and that some of them still retain Neapolitanum label only makes me question the labeling source more. I truly appreciate your pointing out were I was wrong on my identification guess, I learned from that and is what I would expect. I regret if my doubting the species would offend an expert, but in the lecture portion your intent appears to make a novice regret posting here and in that you are successful, and as first time poster as you so noted in “(welcome to the forum by the way)” maybe that factors in to what you state as a poor post count.

[cycnich]

Hang on, lets not take ouselves too seriously here, this is a hobby and meant to be fun. Lets draw a line under this and I will post pictures of the plants when they flower, end of story, lifes too short !.

Originally Posted by strudeldog but in the lecture portion your intent appears to make a novice regret posting here and in that you are successful, and as first time poster as you so noted in “(welcome to the forum by the way)” maybe that factors in to what you state as a poor post count.

FFS, get a grip, Phil. What the hell is wrong with so many of these forums and the people on them? Why are so many people so quick to take things so personally?

Phil, it would appear that you've chosen to ignore my welcome, ignore my efforts to make it known that my comments were not directed at you, and ignore my sincere welcome. I've said this so many times before; if I had said what I've written across a table in a pub over a pint, you probably wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

For anyone interested, take a look at www.pistonheads.com
I spend a lot of time on that site (a car based site) and whilst some of the posts there are fierce, they are written just how that person would speak. Why can't every site be like that?

I cut my ties with Gardenweb last week (in spectacular fashion I might add) after questioning the posting by a total moron there and now it seems I have to cut my ties with yet another site. I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth with the over-sensitive nature of this site.

[strudeldog]

Tim,

I am not sure what “FFS” means, but I sure the folks here don’t want to lose your input on this forum. Thanks for the welcome, probably best I don’t frequent these things, and it probably shows in my postings. I really don’t know much about forums and if I had spent enough time on them to even know how to identify posters by their profile other than their posting name prior to now I never would have questioned the original poster stating what they were, and my comment on the Neapolitanum labeling were meant towards the source of the plants, and not the poster. I am not really that thin-skinned, and was sincere in that I would prefer being corrected on the identification, or anything for that matter, and I should have left it at that. After this I am going to follow the original posters advice and relax. I already regret my first 2 posts, so I think I am best to be a bit reserved in my posts

[cycnich]

Originally Posted by strudeldog I already regret my first 2 posts, so I think I am best to be a bit reserved in my posts

Please carry on posting. This forum is all about debate, opinions and information and your input is as valuable as anyones, welcome to GB.

[kap-horn]

Problems in forums seem always be the same (in germany or here) Maybe you remember the fast close of the german forum at gardenweb some years ago...

Back to the pink leafes
Here is a picture of my hederifolium seedlings, which I have sown last autumn.
I have no pink plant in my garden, but bought 2 silver plants by a belgian breeder who has pink leafed plants in his garden

[Jan Bravenboer]

Again I found some pink flushed plants, this time eight.
Have sown all seeds from the other stock plants last week, hope to have many seedlings in autumn.

Regards,

Jan

[cycnich]

Originally Posted by Jan Bravenboer hope to have many seedlings in autumn.

It looks like this pink flush is quite widespread, it would be interesting to know where it came from originally.